Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cryptic Fate


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The result was   Keep, consensus is that the article does meet the notability guidelines due to the sources found here which should be added to the article. Davewild (talk) 20:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Cryptic Fate

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Article fails to show the group has any actual notability - they've done no gigs of note, and the record label they claim their last album was released by is so big it doesn't even have a website, or anywhere else which attests to it being notable at all. Also, I strongly suspect that the creator of the article was bassist Chowdhury Fazle Shakib, judging by the creator's name and their edits to the article. Delete LuciferMorgan (talk) 09:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   -- Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per nom. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they pass WP:MUSIC, and poss WP:MUSIC for this, this, this, this, this, and maybe this, but probably not.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 13:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I was not particularly convinced with the sites provided by Esradekan so I looked up the band myself. Their website informs me that they won the "Best Underground Band" award at the Citycell Channel-i Music Awards in 2005. Unsurprisingly, I have not heard of such an award show but a google search revealed that "it is the most elaborate award giving ceremony on music in Bangladesh" as reported here and the "only all-inclusive music award in the country" as reported here. These are news report from The Daily Star, apparently the largest circulating English daily newspaper in Bangladesh. The band Cryptic Fate itself has been the subject of non-trivial coverage in that same newspaper here, here, here, etc. Again, that's the largest circulating English daily newspaper in Bangladesh so that seems pretty impressive for an underground heavy metal band. Other coverage for the award show includes this and this. So while the band and the award show might not seem notable to many of us, they appear to be quite notable in their own country and hence quite deserving of an article on wikipedia per criterias 1 and 8 of WP:MUSIC. --Bardin (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I happen to disagree. While the Daily Star might be notable, none of the likes provided by Esradekan were from notable publications. Also, I don't condone group members making articles for themselves - the user even uploaded pictures of the group and freely claimed ownership of them. Finally, I'd like someone to prove the notability of the record label G-series Soundtek, if it actually exists. LuciferMorgan (talk) 14:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You state that you disagree but nothing that you wrote there has anything to do with my reasons for keeping this article. I did not care much for the sources that Esradekan provided either but surely multiple non-trivial coverage in their country's largest circulating English daily newspaper demonstrates notability. Not to mention the award they won. --Bardin (talk) 15:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Satisfactory coverage in WP:RS/WP:V secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 21:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


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