Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crystal Cave (Gibraltar)


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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Crystal Cave (Gibraltar)

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Generic cave mass-produced from labels on a map with no explanation of notability, fails WP:GEOLAND. Prod removed without explanation as usual. Reywas92Talk 19:28, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep/merge Gibraltar is a maze of tunnels and natural caves. This particular natural cave adjoins to the Ragged Staff Cave and its crystal formations are naturally of interest.  It has been the subject of scientific study and papers include Carbon dioxide, ground air and carbon cycling in Gibraltar karst and Monitoring cave processes and decoding climate records in Gibraltar Caves.  Deletion is therefore not appropriate as out policy WP:ATD applies: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 22:04, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Those are about Gibraltar's caves in general, not this one in particular. These are not significant coverage of the Crystal Cave. Reywas92Talk 00:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The only source mentions the cave in a single sentence so fails WP:SIGCOV and my BEFORE didn't find anything better. Do ping me if better sources are found. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GEOLAND. I might revise my vote to keep if anyone can find a single sentence describing the cave published in a reliable source. Likewise I would change it to a redirect if this name is mentioned in any official source which specifies a location for the cave.Pontificalibus 13:05, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GEOLAND. Searcedh for "Crystal Cave", Gibraltar in Google Scholar and found only a few for it. However, none of them either describe the cave in any detail or indicate that it is of any historic or scientific importance. There are a lot other "Crystal Caves" (especially Pennsylvania and Bermuda) making finding anything difficult. Both JSTOR and GEOREF yielded nothing. Found nothing about a Crystal Cave while looking through pertinent chapters in:
 * Rose, E.P. and Rosenbaum, M.S., 1991. A field guide to the geology of Gibraltar. Gibraltar Museum under the auspices of the Gibraltar Heritage Trust. Paul H. (talk) 02:35, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment According to 2019 - The 200 Caves of Gibraltar - Part 13, which itself is a self-published blog, the map used in the article for the cave's name and location and mentioned above by Reywas92 is Undated and unattributed and cannot be considered a reliable source. Paul H. (talk) 03:04, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: A journal search turned up nothing. I checked some of the other cave sites to see if they had RS which might have information on this location, but they are all pretty badly sourced as well. I'm assuming if something was easily found in Google it would already have been mentioned. Being considered as a potential water reservoir does not make this notable, I don't see anything in the article itself that would lead anyone to believe this is notable. I searched for the other cave at AfD, Willis' Cave at the same time and didn't find anything for that either. Fails GNG and GEOLAND.  // Timothy :: talk  08:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


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