Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crystal Clarke


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Star Wars Episode VII. Consensus found a lack of notability under the relevant guidelines, but no argument was made that would preclude a redirect that would generally be indicated by WP:ATD. j⚛e deckertalk 03:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Crystal Clarke

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per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON. She was just cast in the film, which is currently shooting. Which does not make her notable. Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 01:28, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep You can look at her as one of two winners of a competition held in two countries, 11 cities, 30,000 competitors in person, and 37,000 online; and she won.  A competition eagerly followed by many fans and journalists.  I'm not asserting she's notable for what she might achieve.  I'm asserting she's notable for what she has already achieved, even if she's cut from the movie tomorrow.  Please don't compare her in the way you would an actress starring in a famous movie (which she hasn't yet).  Instead, compare to somebody who's won something at comparable level of competition, and attention.  --Rob (talk) 01:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete This is WP:TOOSOON. Winning a contest of that size does not make someone notable. Should every lottery winner be in Wikipedia? --Jersey92 (talk) 03:47, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * A notable talent contest would be a better comparison. It's not comparable to a random drawing.  --Rob (talk) 03:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think the winner of a talent contest of that size would be notable simply as a result of winning it... that would make the winners of a large number of events in the USA notable and they are not... --Jersey92 (talk) 04:21, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You have to combine the number of people who came in person to be evaluated in two countries, multiple cities, with the enormous attention paid by the media to the process because of what it is for. I don't think there are a large number of competitions receiving as much attention as this, that we don't deem the winners of notable.  Do you have some examples of talent competitions that I can find large numbers of stories in major national media all over the world, where the winners didn't qualify for an article?   --Rob (talk) 05:21, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: In the unfortunate event that the closing consensus is not to have a stand-alone article, I ask that the article be redirected to Star Wars Episode VII so that any content and sources I (or others) add will be kept, and can more easily be used later when deemed more appropriate; and people searching for the name will find something relevant.  --Rob (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NACTORS, she hasn't had significant roles in multiple notable films (not yet), television shows, stage performances, or other productions or has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following or has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Doesn't mean the article can't be made later on when she has actually has had a chance of making a substantial career. LADY LOTUS • TALK 11:22, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Star Wars Episode VII, as the subject does not pass any of the notability guidelines of this project. Being selected for a movie role is not even remotely in the ballpark of "winning a talent content", tht argument stretches all bounds of credulity. Tarc (talk) 15:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a clear example of too soon. We do not know how big the role will be. There is a possibility that either the role or the film will not come about as planned. We create articles based on what has happened, not what we think will happen.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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