Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crystal Tree Golf and Country Club


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 14:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Crystal Tree Golf and Country Club

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Not notable, unreferenced. Can't find any sources Mattg82 (talk) 01:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a kind of advertisement masquerading as an article. I was unable to find reliable sources establishing notability. The fact that the article cites a caddy at the golf course as its sole reference implies original research. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 05:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Golf-related deletion discussions.  —Mattg82 (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I added some references, which I found using this search on Google News archives. – Eastmain (talk) 17:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks, Eastmain, for adding references, but I don't feel those sources, though reliable establish notability. What makes this golf course special enough for mention in this encyclopedia? A sex-discrimination case in the early '90s? Given the huge number of people and organizations who are named as defendants in lawsuits every year, I don't think so. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 21:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Every golf course is unique (except, perhaps, those that blatantly copy more famous golf courses). This one was designed by Robert Trent Jones, Jr., who appears to be a notable architect of golf courses. – Eastmain (talk) 22:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Now seems more notable, but notable enough to keep ? erm not sure, but if this discussion fails to reach a consensus I won't relist it for deletion. Mattg82 (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 00:14, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Most coverage seems incidental – there is more focus given of the associated residential developments within the gated community. Sources that directly reference the golf club in a non-trivial manner do not seem to be readily available. Having a notable designer does not generally mean much as far as golf courses go, and the mascot incident is nothing more than trivia. However, it has hosted some Illinois PGA events, although I guess they are fairly minor in status. In all, insufficient to establish notability. wjemather bigissue 23:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. A not-remotely-notable sex-discrimination case from 1993 doesn't make this club notable, and I find it telling that no author has updated the lede to say, "Crystal Tree Country Club is a golf course notable for being sued for sex discrimination in 1993."  I don't think anyone will, either.  I agree with Willoughby that "[t]his is a kind of advertisement masquerading as an article."  If this country club is notable, every country club in America is.  --Glenfarclas (talk) 13:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.