Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crystallia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  08:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Crystallia

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Shocking article about a person that is not known at all. Should be deleted as there are no reliable sources. Glucken123 (talk) 15:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Glucken123 (talk) 15:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Procedural Keep - No evidence that WP:BEFORE was followed and good evidence that it probably wasn't as this was part of a mass-nomination of dozens of articles about Greek culture over the course of a hour. FOARP (talk) 15:59, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Part of mass nomination. Contrary to the nomination, I see nothing shocking about the article, and on searching for "Κρυσταλλία Ρήγα" in google news she appears to be well known.--Eostrix (talk) 16:00, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Most of the coverage comes from gossip sites. There is nothing notable or encyclopaedic about this person. Glucken123 (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment There is wide coverage on her in Greek media, but mostly about her personal life, and her "hot" photoshoots. ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 13:12, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a gossip magazine. If that is the only level of coverage we have we should not have the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:08, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. She has notable mentions in the Greek media, largely related to her non-musical activities. She also holds a somewhat mediocre musical award from 2012. I would say delete unless the page of her as a musician can be supported on the basis of her personal life notability in Greek sources. Runforlimit505 (talk) 05:39, 13 June 2020 (UTC) Blocked sock. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 21:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Per Eostrix. --Micky (talk) 00:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC) Blocked sockpuppet Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ''' The creeper2007 Talk! ''' 22:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No recommendation as I can't understand the nomination. There's no "shocking" content in this article at all. Furthermore, despite some of the other comments here, there is nothing gossipy about this article, as it is focused entirely on her musical career. Even if the sources are gossip sites (as they are almost all in Greek, I haven't tried to evaluate them), those sources are only being used here for career information rather than information about the subject's personal life. I would recommend a "no consensus" close and allow a better AfD nomination to be made instead. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What this AfD needs is a Greek editor who is familiar with Greek sources. The nominating statement is clearly wrong (and was part of 20 nominations in 26 minutes). From what I can see Crystallia was the lead singer for OtherView (where I held off from voting, but it did win a national award one year) and went on to have a solo career afterwards. The amount of google-news hits on "Κρυσταλλία Ρήγα" (persisting to present), in Greek, refute the nominator's statement that she is "not known at all". She definitely is known (and is covered for photo shoots, her marriage, and songs), and some of the pieces have some depth. Assessing the quality of these sources towards SIGCOV requires a Greek editor.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;]) 07:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Googling her name in Greek reveals a number of websites that have covered her personal life over the past couple of years, but all of them appear to be limited to gossip reporting. A few examples: gossiptv.gr, znews.gr, hit-channel.com etc. There is no notability here, while her music career is not significant. On top of that, the Wiki article is dominated by hit-channel.com, which makes its encyclopaedic importance quite weak. That's why I used the term 'shocking' - a bunch of exaggerated claims have allowed this article to remain online for way too long. Glucken123 (talk) 13:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There is no particularly strong !vote for deletion. What has been pointed out is that coverage is likely to exist in Greek sources (such as those already in the article), and that a Greek language editor might be able to help assess whether it amounts to WP:SIGCOV or not. I have posted a request at the appropriate Wikiproject in the hope that it might be clarified, although this could very likely be closed as no consensus otherwise.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I'll probably get some unfriendly responses to this, but IMO if there are no English sources that can be used for notability then I don't think it is worth having a English article about the person. Due to them lacking the "broad appeal" in English articles require. Just like I wouldn't assume that something with only English sourcing would be appropriate for the Greek Wikipedia, or any other language for any other. If English speakers are interested in the subject then there should be enough English sourcing to support the article. Period. I know there are a few, but they seem trivial and not really about person. I wouldn't have a problem with some Greek language articles being used as a way to support other stuff in the article, but that shouldn't be all there is. From the comments above about the Greek sources it doesn't sound like they are that good and would work for notability anyway though. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep with no prejudice to re-nomination when someone who understands Greek has taken a look. Per the WP:NONENG section in the verifiability policy, non-English sources are allowed, so a lack of English sources is not a reason for deletion. I will say that the sources currently in the article look like they might well be generally unreliable. PJvanMill  ( talk ) 19:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked over the sources in Greek and they aren't very reliable either. At least not enough to keep the article over IMO. I know non-English sources are allowed, but that doesn't mean we just say "well, there's non-English sources out there and they are allowed. So lets keep the article" without factoring their notability or lack of it into this. If your not doing that though because "hey, I know the sources exist so whatever. I'll just vote keep." and admit yourself that the English language sources are generally unreliable ,then personally I don't think that's a valid reason to vote keep. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:MUSICBIO. She is not known outside of her local market. I do want to be clear that "shocking" or "controversial" are not reasons to delete. Bearian (talk) 00:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I completely agree that "shocking" or "controversial" are not reasons to delete, but as I tried searching for her but got only a couple of mentions in RS which are In English, but the ones in the Greek seem to be ok. so its a 50-50 for me.  Dtt1 Talk  12:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Bearian says she's not known "outside of her local market" but she's not known that well inside that market either. Almost all the subject's appearances in Greek media are in gossip magazines or similar websites and are about either "sexy" photo-ops (e.g. here or here) or her marriage as a social event (e.g. here or here) It's indicative of her lack of notability even at the local level that one of the articles is titled "Greek singer gets married and these are the photos." There is nothing here as far as WP:NMUSICIAN or even WP:GNG are concerned. (I speak modern Greek fluently.) -The Gnome (talk) 15:56, 11 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.