Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crystina Poncher


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The result was   no consensus. (WP:NPASR). (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 01:35, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Crystina Poncher

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This is a non-notable sports reporter and commentator. I cleaned up the article a bit, but the only sources to remain are primary sources. A Google search reveals no significant coverage in reliable sources. I suspect that it's too soon for a biography on Wikipedia. The article creator seems to have a conflict of interest, as I think that they are her talent agency. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep cleanup looks good and seems to have erased any COI. I'm seeing links from Yahoo News, Seattle Seahawks, and several boxing sites. That, to me, is enough to pass WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:35, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you list these reliable sources that you've found? I see about 150 Google hits, and the vast majority of them are completely worthless.  Remember, sources much be independent; coverage by her is not the same as coverage of her. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * They're really not very hard to find. NFL.com, Seattle Seahawks, Green Bay Packers, Tennessee Titans, Maxx Sports, Yahoo News/AP, NFL (again),  ABS-CBN News.
 * Maxxsports is a talent agency. It was originally in the article, and I removed it, as it had been added by Maxx Sports themselves.  How is that a reliable source?  NFL.com is her employer.  That's not independent.  I don't think any of these sources help to establish notability. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yahoo News/AP? ABS-CBNNews?  Those should be enough to pass WP:GNG As for Maxxsports and the NFL.com, they are a "reliable" source but not necessarily a "Third Party" source.  The data should be considered accurate and therefore "reliable" although I could see the argument that because it isn't third party it doesn't speak to notability.  Arguments can be made that Seattle Seahawks, Tennessee Titans, and the Green Bay Packers are independent ownership from the NFL itself and therefore should be considered third party.  Far as I'm concerned, consider them secondary arguments  because Yahoo News/AP and ABS-CBNNews are more than enough to establish notability.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per above - Passes GNG. →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  02:11, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 14:52, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 02:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:RELISTINGISEVIL may I suggest that before someone relists this a third time, that they take the time to review and comment instead?--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:22, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
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