Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cuban packages


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Black Kite 22:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Cuban packages
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Article fails notability requirement.
 * The only cuban packages that a google search shows, are the touristic ones. Not even by the Spanish name "bultos cubanos" shows any good source.
 * In addition, none of the two sources that are currently used to reference the whole article can be accessed.
 * Moreover, if this was a notable (and important) event in Chilean history it would certainly be available at least in the Spanish Wikipedia. Likeminas (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Determining notability about a subject from the Spanish speaking world by seeing whether there is an article in Spanish wikipedia is not necessarily reliable. Some time ago I began a page in English wp on the Chilean philosopher Roberto Torretti, a leading authority on the philosophy of science – but in the Spanish project there is still no page on Torretti. Regards_Moshe-paz (talk) 06:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is a non-notable non-event. There are not even passing mentions of it in any book. There are no references to it in any accessible newspaper articles, either in Spanish or English. The current link is to a repost in a blog. Notmyrealname (talk) 21:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Further comment: The title of the article is also a problem. A Google search of "Cuban packages" or "bultos Cubanos" does not lead to any references to this topic. There is no evidence that this is a commonly known incident in any language. It also seems from the scant references available that there is no common description of these events. Again, these all point back to questions of notability.Notmyrealname (talk) 19:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. An important event in history mentioned in many sources, including books such as Simon Collier, William F. Sater. A history of Chile, 1808-1994, Norman Friedman. The Fifty-Year War: Conflict and Strategy in the Cold War, Thomas C. Wright. Latin America in the era of the Cuban Revolution. Luis Napoles (talk) 22:11, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Can you add page numbers to these references where this is discussed? There are no results for "Cuban Packages" in these books using Google Scholar.Notmyrealname (talk) 01:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment These sources were just inserted by Luis Napoles and still need to be verified for accuracy. I will look into them and report backLikeminas (talk) 22:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments: What could be done to deal with those who want to delete this page is present specific paragraphs from these books within the footnotes of the page. Whereby it can be easily determined by the readers in which context the term “Cuban packages” where used by the specific authors you have mentioned. Regards_Moshe-paz (talk) 06:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is interesting, sourced and obviously notable. Searches in Google and on wikis are not a proof of anything.Biophys (talk) 01:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. A search for Norman Friedman and Cuban packages doesn’t yield any information about such an incident. Norman Friedman wrote about the cold war on a good vs evil premise that appeals to many radical Cuban exiles and he (or others mentioned) may have coined, figuratively used or paraphrased some event with the words 'Cuban packages'. But this would certainly not be the basis for a page in an encyclopaedia because it doesn’t constitute an incident per se. Given that most searches about this “Cuban packages” incident lead to Wikipedia and no other sources, a case for deleting it on the grounds that an encyclopaedia is not a primary source of information is reasonable enough.  Regards_Moshe-paz (talk) 06:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.