Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural influences on Superman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. BJ Talk 08:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Cultural influences on Superman

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Appears to be essentially OR, lots of weasel words and speculations. Nsk92 (talk) 01:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've read Up, Up, and Oy Vey, and it doesn't back any of the claims made here. The whole lot is unsourced guesswork, and even if it weren't, this is the core info that belongs in Superman. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but merge with Superman. After fixing POV issues and such, finding appropriate refs, and shortening it, it could work. La Pianista  ( T • C • S ) 02:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would be in favor of this if anyone could reference any of this. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See comments below. Hiding T 10:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Like the two !voters above, I think this topic is more suited to be part of the main Superman article, but since nothing is sourced (and, in fact, rather reads like a speculative personal essay), there is nothing to merge. – sgeureka t•c 07:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as original research following A Man In Black's discovery that the reference doesn't support the claims made. This would be an awesome article, but there's nothing here we can use. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 09:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the claims can be sourced, per my comment below. They already are, in the Superman article. Hiding T 10:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of this is covered in the Superman article already, and referenced to boot. See Superman, fourth paragraph for coverage of Nietzsche, fifth para for John Carter and the pulps in general, which are also covered in para two alongside Gladiator. I may have left Doc Savage and The Shadow out for space considerations, but I can't recall if Doc Savage and The Shadow were covered in what I read, sorry. Gladiator and the pulps in general are usually thought of as formative influences. The sources I found on the costume didn't indicate Robin Hood or Hercules as inspirations, but I did find sources mentioning the peculiarities of the cape, which are covered in Superman, third paragraph. Moses is discussed in the third para of Superman. The Jesus referencing is discussed in one sentence due to space considerations, since this is a Featured article, we went through a reciew of it a while ago and the consensus there was that the article needs to be kept trim. The Hebrew influence and possible meaning of Superman's Kryptonian name is also discussed here. The only thing not really covered is Superman's immigrant status. So I think, per GFDL, it is best to redirect to Superman, noting the information has been integrated over time rather than in one single instance. Hiding T 10:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I can source some interesting pieces on the immigrant status, I'll try and work that in. Hiding T 10:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Have added a section on the immigrant theme to Superman, final para. Hiding T 13:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Superman. Or delete it.  More information about the underpinning's of superman is welcome in the main article. Protonk (talk) 14:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Due to size issues, that's not technically true. The article is already growing again, up to 48k from the 41k at the FARC which was felt the high side of acceptable. It's certainly welcome, it just means a think about how to make it all work and fit in needs to happen. Hiding T 09:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe a backwater place to ask such a question, but have we ever considered adding a "page two" to articles? Hiding T 09:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete should be covered at the main article. The fact that none of this is sourced argues against a merge, as above. Eusebeus (talk) 12:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.