Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural references in The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep, no consensus. SushiGeek 06:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Cultural references in The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy
Not notable. Arbitrary criteria. Wikipedia is not a indiscriminate collection of information. No actual references or sources. No verifiability. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 22:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, original research. Recury 00:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, for the following reasons: 1) I don't believe it strictly qualifies under WP:NOR, given the episode citations. 2) There is a precedent for splitting off "cultural references" sections into separate articles to avoid cluttering up the main article page. 3) Does not fail WP:V in most cases, again given episode citations; they may not be easily verifiable via web-based material, but WP:V makes no requirement that verifiability be web-based. 4) It isn't an indiscriminate collection of information; wiki-links are prevalent and the contributors to the list have made a real effort to connect the references to information in Wikipedia. 5) To answer some of the objections, I did some research and came up with a source for several of the claims, now posted in "External Links." Given this, I really don't think it's appropriate to delete the article at this time.Captainktainer * Talk 06:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment As a disclaimer, my one and only edit to the article was to add the reference. I don't really have an emotional investment in the article itself. Captainktainer * Talk 06:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It does not comply with WP:NOR and WP:V because it assumes many things to be to be "cultural references". While it may seem obvious, we don't know for sure what the writers intended. There needs to be a source that says "this was intended as a reference to..." or some such.
 * As said in the WP:NOR page:
 * "Articles may not contain any previously unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas; or any new analysis or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas that serves to advance a position." '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 06:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge and trim and delete into Grim Adventures article. -- GWO
 * Keep: per Captainktainer; if this would be merged into the main article, which was the previous case, the main article would be too big, and the main article isn't a list, so this article is needed; It's notable, per WP:NOTABILITY, so "Not notable" isn't an argument; Every statement gives many links and the article ensures that people can see the reference; And links to tv.com and tvrage entries, which contain lists of allusions, can verify that these aren't previously unpublished statements. -- Henk65 20:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Trim and Merge. If the main article is too long, consider splitting it out again, but I don't think it would be, even without trimming.  &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It isn't currently big, but it would be if this is merged. And the main article should not contain lists -- Henk65 20:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is plainly OR - the 'cultural references' have been identified by the editor(s) not by external sources. It would remain OR even if trimmed and included in the main article. BlueValour 23:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.