Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural references to The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. --Core desat 06:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Cultural references to The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

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Very trivial listcruft. A list of mentions isn't very notable (even if it's sourced). I had prodded this, then it was removed. The reason given was The Cultural references to The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock article was created to capture references to T.S. Eliot's poem "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" (of which there are many.) The most important ones are incorporated within the poem's article itself but the list is long and so it was moved to its own page. Frankly, I've seen that used as a reason (or excuse in my view) many times with these culture lists. If it gets too big on the main article: condense, don't just move it to a new article. A new article just spreads the trivia issue even further. RobJ1981 06:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable trivia. I mean:
 * Bob Dylan possibly references the mermaids in the last stanza in the song Desolation Row in the verse about T.S. Eliot and Ezra Pound.
 * The Rush song "Open Secrets" (from 1987's Hold Your Fire) includes the line "That's not what I meant at all" (cf. "That is not what I meant at all").
 * The coffee shop named "Prufrock's" attached to The Perry-Castañeda Library at The University of Texas at Austin.
 * Seriously now. --Haemo 06:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And indeed there will be time to delete this unencyclopedic trivia collection. MER-C 08:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete also per WP:FIVE - Not a trivia collection Corpx 08:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have heard the Mermaids singing each to each Delete. Eusebeus 10:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment and delete Is there an unknown competition for the most obscure "List of..." article? Not sourced, completely trivial and WP:OR to boot. Wildthing61476 14:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge, because there are some references and the influence in film, song, video game, etc. is stated to show notability and significance. --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 15:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 15:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that's exactly what counts as trivia Corpx 16:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete The question that editors have to ask is what do these cultural references add to the topic of The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock? They add nothing to an understanding of Eliot's creation process, the critical reception at the time, the influence on other English-language poems, the current literary scholarship on the subject, etc.  All they express is that the poem is well known and that sometimes other people quote it.  Well, we already know that, and the introduction to the article on the poem makes that clear (from that article: "one of the most anthologized 20th century poems in English" and hey, that assertion is cited).  I was one of the people to add to this list of trivia (The Paper Chase one) as one of my first Wikipedia edits, so I realize I'm part of the problem.  Now I say delete to actually come to a solution. -Markeer 16:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, returning any non-trivial references to the main Prufrock article. The sheer number and range of pop culture references does seem relevant to understanding the poem's popular reception, however a couple of examples would make the point. I don't see much mileage in retaining the redirect. Espresso Addict 00:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have references by multiple, non-trivial sources. But that doesn't mean I'm notable and neither is this. Delete per WP:NOT. Trusilver 18:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.