Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Currency in Dumas' Musketeer novels


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Although there is wide agreement amongst participants in this discussion that the article should be renamed or merged, there is no consensus for deletion; thus, "no consensus", as editorial issues fall outside the scope of this AfD. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Currency in Dumas' Musketeer novels
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There is some debate over weather or not this subject merits it's own article. See that discussion Talk: Currency in Dumas' Musketeer novels. I am NEUTRAL. Tim1357 (talk) 02:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No piastres? I was sure they used some... seriously: I tried a quick search for History of French currency or French coins or a general Finances of Ancien Régime, nope. This article could make a good seed for any of these, keep. NVO (talk) 07:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Try looking for Louis d'or or Pistole... Category:Economic history of the Ancien Régime! Fram (talk) 07:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Precisely: category, coins, govt offices, Messrs. Fouquet and Colbert but no general overview of state finances or, narrowing the topic, evolution of currency. NVO (talk) 18:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. I proposed this article for deletion. It gives undue weight to one specific aspect of these novels, and more precisely as used in the English translation of them. Most of the info can easily be found in the articles on the currencies (e.g. pistole), making this a duplication of content. There are thousands of novels with aspects that are harder to understand correctly for 21st century people, but we are not going to explain these novel by novel, but in general. The only more or less specific problem with the currency in these novels seems to be that the English translation uses "crown", but there was no French "crown" currency. But it is equally obvious from the article that the novel gives an exchange rate between this "crown" and other currencies like the livre or the pistolet, and these are adequately described in Wikipedia already. So I see absolutely no need to have such novel-specific content duplication where the more general articles are sufficient. Fram (talk) 07:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * pure OR: I've never really liked the state-specific quarters or the subway tokens in some places. LOL. It may have some merit in some context but does seem like original work. Translations, conversions of units from historical works( an epath for a hogshead of triticale) is a problem and maybe you could find classical translation texts for a related larger article but I don't think  this is it.  Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 20:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to article on Dumas or an article on his writing techniques/ plot devices. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename and Restructure into an article on pre-revolutionary French currency, perhaps Currency of the Ancien Régime, since we only seem top have articles on the individual coins and not one on the currency generally. There is no reason to suppose that Dumas was not merely talking about the currency of the period he was writing about.  A very brief summary should also be merged to the article on the book series.  No doubt there will be trouble with translation, but I assume the novels have been translated more than once: that certainly is an issue for the article on the book series.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename, repurpose as above, rewrite, and expand, unless we already have the information in another article. The material is over-summarized, even for a general encyclopedia, and has no sources.   There is nothing in this actually specific in a meaningful way the this particular novel, especially because it seems to be written based on knowledge only of an English translation,  and even if the subject were worth an article, this is not a reliable approach.    DGG ( talk ) 22:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename & Restructure. As above.   A bullet list of the currency in the Dumas page, with links to individual descriptions. The topic is obscure, but the article contains some useful information that would make a good start for Currency of the Ancien Régime. What I see here is not disruptive or spammy, but a dedicated editor who's made a genuine effort to improve Wikipedia's quality.  Point him in the direction of WP:NUMIS --Whoosit (talk) 23:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.