Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Current events in Hong Kong and Macau


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was history merge with Current events in Hong Kong. Several things to take note of here. First, it is true that we now have two duplicate articles. Second, the page was moved by "copy-paste", which is the wrong way to move things because it fragments the article history. Note that calling for deletion because we already have an article and "there is no need to keep the history" is calling for a violation of the Gnu Free Documentation License which is absolutely fundamental to Wikipedia, and trumps consensus. Simple deletion of this article without deleting Current events in Hong Kong is therefore out of the question.

The reason for the nomination is that the article so far only contains current events from Hong Kong, and nothing from Macau. Against this, it has been argued that the article previously contained current events from Macau. It has then been pointed out that there are enough current events to justify a separate Current events in Macau article (although it should be noted that such an article does not yet exist, if anyone wants to create one, by all means do so.)

I am calling this a history merge primarily because a cop-paste move was executed, which needs to be fixed. It may happen that the article ought to cover both Hong Kong and Macau (which would mean moving the article back), but I will leave that discussion for the article's talkpage or Requested moves. For now though, I'll consolidate the page histories. Since the article's current title suggests that the article is about Hong Kong only, I will delete the subsequent redirect (which will be without any history, so GFDL is upheld) as well. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Current events in Hong Kong and Macau
Delete and move to Current events in Hong Kong. Article does not include news from Macau, and not updated by anybody who is interested in adding Macau news. Hong Qi Gong 19:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per reason I posted above. Hong Qi Gong 19:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Please take a look at its edit history. Edit history of this page is preserved under this title. The original page should never be deleted after a cut-and-paste move. &mdash; Instantnood 19:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologise for the cut-and-paste move. I've changed the reason for deletion.  Hong Qi Gong 19:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Edit history must be preserved. No original entry should be deleted as a cut-and-paste move. &mdash; Instantnood 21:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment - I also wanted to point out that there's enough content for both a Current events in Hong Kong and a Current events in Macau. There's no reason the two of them should be one article.  Hong Qi Gong 19:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article was abandoned until Hong Qi Gong started maintaining it.  --Ideogram 20:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Duplicate content from Current events in Hong Kong, then move to Current events in Hong Kong. See my proposal here.  --Pkchan 05:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: That's not what AfD deals with. You may cast a keep vote, then nominate it at WP:RM. &mdash; Instantnood 21:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this is the rule for AfD: an AfD is, after all, a debate, not a vote; and even if my proposal is not entirely consistent with the bureaucracy of rules here, I am ready to ignore all rules and stand by my proposal because that would satisfy all stated rationales in one procedure. --Pkchan 10:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, there have been moving around between Current events in Hong Kong, Current events in Hong Kong and Macau, and Current events in Hong Kong and Macao, so it's gotten a little convoluted. Basically what I'm proposing is to get rid of the latter two and use Current events in Hong Kong.  --- Hong Qi Gong 15:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want what you proposed to be possible, you have to cast a vote against deletion. Your comment wouldn't be counted. &mdash; Instantnood 20:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete It isn't necessary to keep a page history if the information isn't used anymore. SchmuckyTheCat 23:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please justify why edit history is useless. Cut-and-paste move is already contravening Wikipedia policy. Edit history of the original article should never be deleted after the content is cut-and-paste move elsewhere. What should be done is to revert the cut-and-paste move. &mdash; Instantnood 23:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have to justify anything to you. A CnP move isn't the greatest thing in the world, but it doesn't "contravene wikipedia policy".  We keep article histories when the information is relevant.  As this article is always changing, the history is irrelevant. The GFDL doesn't require attribution to deleted information.  What should be done is you MYOB. SchmuckyTheCat 00:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Edit history are normally kept and archived unless the subject matter is not notable to be included on Wikipedia. &mdash; Instantnood 20:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not Wikinews. Stifle (talk) 22:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: In that case all current events related materials on Wikipedia, including "In the news" on the right-hand side of the main page, have to be deleted. This is not the place to decide such policy. &mdash; Instantnood 20:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge edit history to Current events in Hong Kong and delete. There is no need for this action to be fulfilled by first voting keep and then voting yet again for a page merger when the final intention is obvious and has greater concensus above.--Huaiwei 11:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. Also worthy of consideration for deletion concurrently is Current events in Hong Kong and Macao, if this article is to be deleted.--Huaiwei 12:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, duplicate, redirect to Current events in Hong Kong. --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 12:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.