Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curse of Norm Smith


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The result was   merge to Norm Smith.  MBisanz  talk 01:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Curse of Norm Smith

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Another curse that fails WP:NOR, and like all these other curse of x I nominated, can't find much on google that it's a real "curse" Delete Secret account 21:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete No reliable sources. No indications this is a notable "curse". Edward321 (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep The article "Norm Smith recognised as an AFL legend" from The Age, states that "Smith publicly expressed his regret about the sacking in a famous television interview and it is part of club folklore that they have not won a premiership since '64 because of 'the curse of Norm Smith'." Also see "Curse of Socceroos has finally been broken" and "AFL: Jackson defends Norm Smith award" which are some of the other articles that discuss the curse. I'm not sure that Google is great at picking up Australian articles and I would assume that there are more that I'm not finding. This and other sources should be added to the article. Alansohn (talk) 14:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 05:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: Google returns less than 100 results for this term, excluding Wikipedia pages. A page at Fox Sports describes the curse as "club folklore." Luinfana (talk) 06:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  -- Canley (talk) 05:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Whislt some of the other articles found and listed above could be challenged as trivial coverage or not reliable sources, I think Norm Smith and the curse of the Demons is a very reliable, non-trivial secondary source. The-Pope (talk) 12:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge with Norm Smith article. All the sources found so far convince me it needs to be covered, but the Norm Smith article isn't so lang as to encourage a split off. (I'm sure the current curse article can be shortened). - Mgm|(talk) 23:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per Mgml. It's a valid search term and it's where the material belongs, no need for a separate article. StarM  20:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 14:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge' with the article on the person. No possible independent notability. DGG (talk) 19:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have a problem with the merge idea, as the article on a legend of the game (he elevated to legend status in the Australian Football Hall of Fame in 2007) should not include a list of "appearances of the curse", ie times in the past 50 years when Melbourne has failed. It should only include what it currently has, a mention (and link) of it in the section on Smith getting the sack (what caused the "curse" to be imposed).  The inclusion in the category of Category:Sports-related curses will also be lost in a merge.  Of course curse articles are prone to WP:OR, but that should be dealt with within the article with  tags, not by deletion. The-Pope (talk) 12:39, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


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