Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curtis Brown (running back)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. When an acle expands six-fold during the course of an AFD, it is hard to give the early delete comments the same credence as the later ones, especally when they have not revisited the article. In light of this being a substantually different article than nominated, and no delete comments I feel are applicable to the current version of the article, I am closing this as no consensus, with leave to immediately renominate if anyone feels it necessary. Courcelles 03:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Curtis Brown (running back)

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Fails WP:ATH, never played professionally  Eagles   24/7  (C)  17:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  --  Eagles   24/7   (C)  17:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  --  Eagles   24/7   (C)  17:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:ATH. Derild  49  21  ☼  17:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not a valid argument. Per the lengthy debate leading to its adoption as a guidelines, WP:ATH is an inclusionary standard, not an exclusionary one. A college athlete who has received non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media meets WP:GNG even if he/she never plays at a professional level. Cbl62 (talk) 14:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete as not notable per WP:GNG. He held his college's rushing record for a while, but doesn't appear to have been proviled beyond Utah.  As others have noted, he doesn't get the free pass of WP:ATHLETE.  Mandsford 18:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Didn't even get drafted, hasn't taken a span in his entire career, not needed! DELET —Preceding unsigned comment added by CJISBEAST (talk • contribs) 19:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Changed to KEEP could maybe be worth mentioning in an article on the team that year, but as a stand-alone: not quite there.  Try another wiki.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Change position Strikehold and Cbl62 make convincing arguments to me. Info needs to be added to the article, but I don't mind flip-flopping when it appears to be the right thing to do.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable.--Yankees10 01:32, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable college football player Secret account 02:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Though it looks like I'm weighing in late on this and outnumbered by votes already cast, this guy was the all-time leading rusher at BYU, a top division program, until last year.  Over 3,000 career rushing yards at a top division school.  An all-time great from a top division college program meets notability standards in my opinion.  Unfortunately, I haven't the time to do the research today to try to find sources and improve the article. Cbl62 (talk) 19:14, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Never playing professionally/not meeting WP:ATH are not legitimate deletion rationale. And I don't see "Never being profiled beyond Utah", a state of ~3 million people, as relevant either (nor is it strictly true) -- WP:GNG does not say you cannot achieve notability through localized news coverage, and Brown's was fairly extensive in Utah. Seems he meets WP:GNG from media coverage during his college career, which as Cbl62 stated was among the statistical best at a top tier football school. Here are some stories exclusively on him or his records: Deseret News: Brown up for task, Salt Lake Tribune: Cougars pass on Brown, Salt Lake Tribune: Brown embracing the challenge, Salt Lake Tribune: Brown not caught up in numbers, Deseret News: BYU backfield: 'Pops'and Brown, Casper Star-Tribune: UW wary of BYU's underused ground game, Salt Lake Tribune: Brown Earns MWC Weekly Football Honor, Deseret News: Brown credits linemen for his rushing success, Deseret News: Unga will pass Brown in rushing, Salt Lake Tribune: Brown brings balance, Scout: Curtis Brown Baptism Testimony of Faith for Family. In addition to extensive coverage in Utah/Wyoming, he has had at least some minor coverage on ESPN: ESPN: A Question Of Faith, and Brown's school rushing record was noted in the AP wire. Strikehold (talk) 02:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I expanded the article using the above sources. Strikehold (talk) 04:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I concur with Cbl62 and Strikehold. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin. Thanks to the efforts of Strikehold, the article in its current state is 1,000% better than the article as it existed when several users voted to delete.  Strikehold expanded it from a bare stub to an 11,000 byte, fully sourced article of good quality. Since the expansion, there has not been a single delete vote. Cbl62 (talk) 16:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.