Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curtis Jones Jr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. Not notable as of yet. Perhaps it could be recreated if he ends up winning.Cúchullain t/ c 01:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Curtis Jones Jr.

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Notable enough not to speedy, bot not notable enough as a local politician per WP:BIO DarkAudit 17:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Curtis Jones' position is notable. The previous politician to hold the position of Councilman for the Fourth District (Michael Nutter) was just elected Mayor of Philadelphia. AR-82 12:52, May 16, 2007
 * ReplyThe Mayor of Philadelphia is notable. Without significant media coverage, a city council member is not. There is no source providing evidence of any such coverage. DarkAudit 18:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Jones has been featured in multiple articles in the Philadelphia Inquirer and the Daily News. Videos regarding the campaign have also been viewed by thousands on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOKHVIQhleE&mode=related&search=) AR-82 14:15, May 16, 2007
 * ReplyYouTube is generally not considered a reliable source. What coverage has he received outside of the Philadelphia metro area? DarkAudit 20:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand. The two references in the article are noteworthy enough, including his image. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 20:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete nominee for a city counsel seat does not give you inherent notability. Carlossuarez46 22:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, well below the threshold of notability. --Dhartung | Talk 08:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply Both Councilman Juan F. Ramos and Councilman John P. Kelly have Wikipedia pages. Jones is not yet on Council, but with the Democratic Party's dominance in Philadelphia he is virtually assured of victory in November.  He is noteworthy for defeating the formidable incumbent Carol Campbell, additionally, the Fourth Council District seat is an important position with its previous occupant, Michael Nutter, having just been elected Mayor.  AR-82 23:46, May 18, 2007
 * Reply to Reply Just because someone else has an article, it is insufficient argument to keep this one. The articles on those two will need to be judged on their own merits. And after an initial check, it's likely that they will also go into AfD status in the near future. DarkAudit 05:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply Philadelphia is the fourth largest metropolitan area in the U.S.  The decisions of its City Council affect millions of people.  It's a valuable resource to Philadelphians for Wikipedia to have pages on its City Council members.  Certainly it would be undesirable for there to be pages on the members of the City Councils in every city in the U.S., but that is not going to happen whether or not a page on Curtis Jones exists.  To deprive Philadelphians of having a page on their Councilperson (as nearly every New Yorker does New_York_City_Council) is not justified merely to prevent a rash of pages on City Council members.  If Curtis Jones were still the President of PCDC or a local ward leader I would agree that he is not notable.  However, the position he will soon hold is an important one and he is additionally visible for defeating Carol Campbell, a longtime political force who was expected to trounce Jones (http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2006-09-21/cover.shtml).  Lastly, Jones' close association with Rep. Chaka Fattah and State Sen. Vincent Huges gives him significant leverage with other politicians and will help him rise through the ranks at City Council.  However, if you feel that Jones just is not sufficiently notable right now, then the article can be deleted.  Thanks for everyone's time on this.  AR-82 10:58, May 19, 2007
 * Reply Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not the chamber of commerce. If the citizens of Philadelphia need to go find more information on their council members, there are much better avenues than Wikipedia. And that's the way it is intended to be. Referring to a future position is called crystalballism here. We are not supposed to speculate on what may happen. DarkAudit 16:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * keep sources are just enough for me... I think we can write a verifiable article here. Perhaps merge to an article on the election or something like that if one exists. --W.marsh 21:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per DarkAudit. --Michael Greiner 22:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.