Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cwmni Theatr Ieuenctid Maldwyn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 16:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Cwmni Theatr Ieuenctid Maldwyn

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Google search shows little English results but high amounts in foreign language. Maybe notable in a different country?  Zoo Fari  01:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The language is Welsh. I'm going to say weak keep because A) The low number of Google results is understandable for a Welsh language act, and B) They're mentioned in the media and on the BBC's website often. It's hard to find references for Welsh stuff, but the article indicates that they've produced lots for S4C, which as theatre group would mean appearing in lots of television shows and series. That's what swings it to a keep for me. Esteffect (talk) 03:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. As it stands we have an article on a theatre group with limited coverage in local/regional media. There is no indication or evidence, provided or on searching, that establishes the group meets any notability criteria. Nuttah (talk) 08:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep if there's a list if stuff they've done on S4C. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per nom. If there are "high amounts" of results "in foreign language", then it is notable to non-English speakers.  Wikipedia does not discriminate against topics that are currently notable in only non-English speaking areas.  See WikiProject Countering systemic bias. Sources like this from BBC Wales confirm its notability.--Oakshade (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 19:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep; I am swayed by the sources provided by Esteffect and Oakshade. As thin as those references may be they seem to be enough to make the subject pass the guideline. BTW, I'm a bit disappointed that some users don't immediately recognize this is Welsh, given also that the (awful) first version did state "mid wales." Drmies (talk) 21:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Theater groups don't get a free pass on notability because they present in a language other than English. The topic of the article still must be notable and we can't ASSUME that in-depth  references SHOULD exist, we have to actually have them and they must be non-trivial an reliable to support notability and verifiability.  What we have here is a completely unreferenced (that's right, NO REFERENCES) stub. Drawn Some (talk) 23:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you bringing a straw man into this? Nobody is claiming this is notable "because they present in a language other than English."  They're arguing to keep because of references found and presented here.  Just because they haven't been placed into the article yet doesn't magically mean they don't exist.--Oakshade (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.