Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cyberathlete Amateur League (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 09:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Cyberathlete Amateur League
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This article was deleted via an expired WP:PROD several months ago with the reason stated "Could not find any third-party sources to prove notability or verifiability." Article has been recreated and is showing the same exact problems as before regarding lack of verifiable, third-party sources establishing any notability. MuZemike (talk) 14:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. MuZemike (talk) 14:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and Improve - Article on the start up of CAL. Regular competitive gaming news related to CAL exclusively. Third party review of CAL. News of CAL's move into Xbox games. Shall I continue? Torinir ( Ding my phone   My support calls   E-Support Options  ) 15:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How about sources that are not press releases that are from reliable sources that can establish the significant coverage covered in WP:GNG? MuZemike (talk) 15:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How about sources that relate specifically to gaming, competitive gaming and youth, which are the target markets for the news articles, since that is where the major interest groups are? Don't expect many articles on gaming related subjects in places like Forbes or New York Times. The interest is not there in those venues. Sourcing comes where the interest is. In this case it would be gaming sites and magazines. In the case of the YPress article, YPress is a youth serviced and targeted publication housed in the offices of the Indianapolis Star site as an NPO. Torinir ( Ding my phone   My support calls   E-Support Options  ) 22:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't confuse press releases with newspaper articles; they are two different things. Let me rephrase. I understand about YPress (I also think that is OK), but are there other sources besides press releases that provide the needed significant coverage? MuZemike (talk) 23:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete or strip to a stub - Trawled through the ghits, lots of press releases and token directory entries. I will change my opinion if an additional suitable source can be unearthed to supplement the YPress article, which seems fine. Article should then be built up from these independent sources. Marasmusine (talk) 20:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: no reliable third-party sources to support this article, thus failing WP:N and WP:V. Only sources are either self-published unreliable sources, or official material that has been reprinted such as press releases. Randomran (talk) 19:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as nontrivial and unoriginal research and because we are a collection of info. “I don’t like it” is NOT a reason for deletion.  Passes WP:V and WP:N.--209.247.22.85 (talk) 05:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, that response is eerily similar to a few other IPs, lately. I'm starting to sense a connection. MuZemike  ( talk ) 05:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed the previous comment as it contained personal information posted without my consent. MuZemike  ( talk ) 06:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And I have deleted that revision. Stifle (talk) 09:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete in the absence of reliable sources. —Emufarmers(T/C) 22:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect and leave a mention of CAL in Cyberathlete Professional League, as the CPL owns CAL. I found a couple of sources for CAL: . I'd say the Dallas News qualifies for notability terms, while the others are passing mentions. Either way, I think it would be most appropriate to include this information in CPL, as that will make for stronger content there. --Izno (talk) 04:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


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