Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cymbaline

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 00:23, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Cymbaline, Rob Edwards, Leigh Thompson, Bronwyn Edmunds and Training for Rob's murder spree
Conspiracy theories. All made up. -- Longhair | Talk 12:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Longhair | Talk 12:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Ho hum. Why would someone make it up? Why delete facts that prove a mystery that has plagued victims of the Port Arthur massacre for years?

There is a long and extensive history, as provided by Australian police sources that prove this article to be true. It is not a conspiracy theory, nor is it incorrect.


 * Unsigned comment above from 203.26.206.130, article author. -- Longhair | Talk 13:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Sighs. That's my life story right there. If you delete it, then you're saying that my entire life is a lie. But perhaps you're right, that until Robert goes to jail for his crimes, I shouldn't state it as fact. This is the guy that destroyed my life, you know.
 * Delete. Nonsense, I was tempted to speedy it. Thue | talk 13:09, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Article as written qualifies as nonsense, speculation, original research and/or non-verifiability. Delete. Radiant_* 13:11, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Unsigned comment above from 203.26.206.130, article author. -- Longhair | Talk 13:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Please see Joe Vialls for evidence that supports all of my claims. They are consistent with highly popular conspiracy theories and with available evidence. I shall endeavour to present these in a better way next time. My apologies. I am new to this.
 * Okay, we don't mean to be harsh... please check with WP:BIO and WP:VAIN and see if your life story belongs in an encyclopedia (because my life story for sure does not). If it is, then arguably someone else should write it, per WP:NPOV. Remember, if you're famous, other people will write about you. Finally, decide whether you really need four different articles - merging may be appropriate. Radiant_* 13:30, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect from Cymbaline to Cymbeline (plausible misspelling); delete the rest. JamesMLane 13:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect per JamesMLane and delete the rest as unverifiable. Mgm|(talk) 13:40, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * delete all (except the redirect as per JamesMLane), they either qualify as original research, unsupported speculation and have no sources whatsoever. clarkk 13:44, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect per JamesMLane and Delete the rest, conspiracy theory, and a half-baked one at that. At the very least, violates WP:V. --bainer 13:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. a new article in this series turned up, i just added it: Training for Rob's murder spree. clarkk 15:11, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Please watch closely, he's an inventive and sometimes quite subtle troll. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:27, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, and consider warning the troll, and blocking if they do not desist. -- The Anome 15:46, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all, then create redirect as per JamesMLane. Unverifiable, original research. Jayjg (talk) 16:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unverifable even as a conspiracy theory--nixie 23:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, your life is not encyclopedia-worthy. RickK 23:33, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as patent nonsense. Capitalistroadster 00:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ambi 03:24, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete all, unverifiable. Megan1967 05:09, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete-Cyberjunkie 09:09, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Oh and feel free to delete these pages. Please do. I'd rather get some help with presenting them properly than be branded as a "troll" or some nonsense just because I'm trying to help with factual evidence.

By the way, your Martin Bryant and Port Arthur massacre articles are highly inconsistent with available evidence, especially with regards to such things as him pleading guilty - which he never did. Your own sources as quoted on the pages prove that you've got it wrong there. You also should include that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and before the trial was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, both diagnoses which were later changed. Asperger's Syndrome as you know, is one which would see someone be fit to stand trial, and hence it is very relevant that he was suddenly diagnosed with it, when in fact he never had it in the first place.

If this is supposed to be accurate, then you have to at least be prepared to accept such changes as those ones, even if you do dismiss what you call "conspiracy theories".


 * All the non-conspiracy-theory sites that I can find, including news sites and Australian Hansard, have him at first protesting his innocence, then pleading quilty. I've got to say that the conspiracy theory sites have a strong feeling of tinfoil hat about them. -- The Anome 14:43, May 14, 2005 (UTC)


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