Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cynthia Roche


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 10:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Cynthia Roche

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This genealogical entry on a non-notable person violates a Wikipedia policy, WP:NOT:

Genealogical entries. Biography articles should only be for people with some sort of fame, achievement, or perhaps notoriety. Drawn Some (talk) 19:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well the quote in full reads: "Biography articles should only be for people with some sort of fame, achievement, or perhaps notoriety. One measure of these is whether someone has been featured in several external sources." (my emphasis added) This clearly meets that criterion. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:16, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

*Delete. What has she done? She was a member of high society, allright. So? What is she known for? The article indicates nothing. The sources don't shed much light on it either. She was vivacious and popular, that's about it. I've read all three sources, and she married twice, and nothing else. That the NYTimes at that time felt the need to have local jetset coverage should not concern us, just like we don't care about current local coverage. Fram (talk) 21:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep writing about my mom would be genealogy. A well referenced article is not genealogy. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as I  explained above, the noms criteria are much narrower than Wikipedia policy for WP:N.    DGG ( talk ) 19:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That IS Wikipedia policy, DGG, see WP:NOT. Those are not "my" criteria, that is consensus expressed in policy.  I am trying to assume good faith here. Drawn Some (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Everyone, this is Drawn Some, my personal wikistalker. If you have a comment about his behavior and the nomination today of what will be about a dozen of my articles please comment here. A month or so ago he nominated another dozen articles that I had created, most were speedy kept. The situation has arisen from me voting to keep articles that he had voted on to delete, or nominated to delete several months ago. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, she collected art, and her collection is now at the Redwood Library &amp; Athenæum in Newport. Yes, indeed, it's called the Cynthia Cary Collection.  That's one of the several names that you'll find you'll have to use when searching for this person.  She's even "Mrs. Guy Fairfax Cary" and "Mrs. Arthur Scott Burden" in some places.  One such source (ISBN 9780879723033 page 154) credits her with introducing Diabolo to fashionable society in Newport in 1907.  John Russell Pope built a country house for her, in Long Island New York in 1915, by the way. Uncle G (talk) 22:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent work, G. Joe Chill (talk) 00:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have no interest in this subject. I have no interest in many of the articles in Wikipedia on baseball players, video games, insects, villages and so on. But "I think this is boring and unimportant" is not an argument. If there are reliable independent sources, as is the case here, presumably other people are interested. The article passes the notability test. (I may add the information found by Uncle G to the article.) Aymatth2 (talk) 02:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a whole load of bits and pieces on my talk page, at User talk:Uncle G, that editors might find useful. Uncle G (talk) 03:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep/Speedy close AfD was not done in good faith  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 00:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep (changed from delete above). The article was deleteworthy, but the work by Uncle G shows that she has also received attention under her married name, and the naming of a collection after her helps a lot as well. I don't believe that having received a few press mentions as a socialite is sufficient, but there is more here. Fram (talk) 07:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.