Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cyprus–Kenya relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. The only "keep" opinion to address the article (instead of procedural arguments), while a valid opinion, was not sufficient (in strength of argument or in numbers for those who prefer a votecount) against the consensus of other editors about this article. Fram (talk) 09:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Cyprus–Kenya relations

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another laughable combination from the obsessive creator. only 2 minor agreements between the 2 nations. Google news search doesn't show much either LibStar (talk) 00:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC) "Don't be silly" is really a rude way to address a fellow editor. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep for now, centralized discussion has started (Centralized discussion/Bilateral international relations), it makes sense to see and wait if that leads to usable outcome for this class of articles in general. --Reinoutr (talk) 09:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This should not be counted as a vote, as it does not address the merits of the article. - Biruitorul Talk 14:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't be silly, any proper reasoning to keep an article should be taken into account. In this case, centralized discussion has started, so it makes perfect sense to pause the deletion of such articles while people try to develop a guideline. No harm is done by leaving these articles a few weeks longer. Finally, AfD is not a vote and I am sure we can trust the closing admin to weigh in all the comments in a way he or she sees fit at that time. --Reinoutr (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't be silly yourself. If the centralised discussion produces any guidelines (it may not) with sufficient detail to affect borderline cases such as this one (very unlikely), then these guidelines will be based on the results of this discussion and similar discussions. (I am putting this above GeorgeLouis' admonishment because obviously it applies to my response as well. I am still using this language, because it's better than openly assuming bad faith, which is what I am really inclined to do seeing this nonsense in dozens of AfDs.) --Hans Adler (talk) 10:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Commment I agree these AfDs should be put on hold until the outcome of that discussion. With almost 200 countries on the planet there is a potential number of almost 20,000 articles of this sort.  There is no need to bring 17,500 of them through here.  Let there be a decision made about which ones should be included and go from there.  This is similar to which roads should be included. These articles are not actively harmful in the meantime like a lot of these articles for deletion. Drawn Some (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:NOHARM is not a valid reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 13:34, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I suggest putting this AfD on "hold" until the decision comes out...Cheers,  I 'mperator 13:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Have any of you three actually looked at this article? What exactly do you expect to gain by putting this "on hold"?  Do you suppose that the decision in that little discussion is going to be "delete all" or "keep all"?  The fact is that it has been nominated, and nobody so far has cited anything significant about a relationship between the Mediterranean island of Cyprus and the central African nation of Kenya.  Delaying the inevitable will not make it less inevitable. Mandsford (talk) 01:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as yet another random bilateral pairing failing to assert notability. - Biruitorul Talk 14:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Random pairing, non-notable cruft. Dahn (talk) 16:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:N and not a directory. A very small number of editors discussing the notability does not make all AFDs automatic "Keeps" while the debate the issue. Considerable harm is done every day unencyclopedic articles are left on Wikipedia, because their presence just encourages more such trivial pairings: "Recipes with spinach and eggplant" "Movies with actor X and actor Y" "People from country X who live in country Y". "Baseball games where X pitched to Y." Edison (talk) 17:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions.  -- Russavia Dialogue 21:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I would point out that there have been some meetings between the two | 4-day visit by President Moi to Cyprus in 2001 but that more recently, there hasn't been much progress as of 2008 | great expectations. Interestingly, it appears that a number of British soldiers served in both Cyprus and Kenya during the uprisings in both former colonies during the 1950s and 1960s; as with Panama and Iraq, however, one can be a veteran of special ops in both places without there having been any relation between the two nations. Mandsford (talk) 02:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no reliable sources discuss this alleged relationship in any non-trivial depth. As to the "hold of" people; i largel agree with Hans. AfD is the place to evaluate the merits of inclusion, and we have guidelines and policies to help us already, most importantly verifiability and GGN.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per Reinoutr. Traditionally, no efforts have been made to find sources before the AfDs, in violation of WP:PRESERVE and WP:BEFORE. Ikip (talk) 02:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * my original nomination has performed a google news search so WP:BEFORE has been applied. LibStar (talk) 03:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Efforts have been made in this case and still come up short. Sources, please, if you think this is worth keeping. - Biruitorul Talk 02:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Cyprus has a high commission in Nairobi. = Embassy -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Already recorded in the embassy lists. Barring significant mention in independent sources, we must delete. - Biruitorul Talk 07:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.