Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cyriel Camiel and Hector Alidor Lesage


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. The discussions reference some other, ostensibly similar, articles, but those should be dealt with as their own AfDs, if appropriate. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Cyriel Camiel and Hector Alidor Lesage

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No evidence of notability or WP:RS. It seems to be a family history piece and is totally original research. Brigade Piron (talk) 20:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC) I fear the same is true for the other articles which I suspect to have been created by a sockpuppet of the same user:
 * Sister Ernestine Declercq
 * Françoise Vanhecke
 * Judith Declercq
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete the Lesage brothers. Completely non-notable. The other articles need separate AfDs of course. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete no assertion of notability. Youth lost to war is tragic, but not notable.  EricSerge (talk) 15:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete the LeSage brothers. No matter how well written the essay on them may be, WP is not a place for memorials. (With respect to notability from the awards, a/c the WP article on the awards they received, in WWI it was awarded very widely--for example, for 3 years active service. )
 * Delete also Sister Declercq. Same reasoning DGG ( talk ) 17:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Vanhecke and Judith Declerque. Vanhecke is a Professor of Music, with numerous compositions, performancea and recordings to her credit, and is almost certainly notable, tho reviews need to be found.  J.D. was president of a national organization, and needs discussion. They should not have been included in the nomination, because there are real factors that might make for notability and that need to be discussed separately.  Even if the intention was family memorials, some of the people might be actually notable, and we shouldelte on the basis of the resulting articles, not the presumed intention.  DGG ( talk ) 17:42, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

''Cyriel Camiel Lesage and Hector Alidor Lesage were brothers who were soldiers for Belgium during World War I. Both have excelled in bravery during the most decisive battles of World War I and received military distinctions. The suffering of their family is representative for the disaster of World War I in Flanders Fields. The eldest, Cyriel, has fought in the crucial battles at the beginning of the war to slow down the invading German troops and to halt them at the river Yser, therefore disrupting Germany’s Schliefen Plan. The youngest, Hector, has fought in the final battle to defeat the Germans after he had voluntarily joined the army to revenge the death of his brother Cyriel. Both have received the “Croix de Guerre” medal, Cyriel also received the Yser Medal, while Hector additionally received the Victory medal and the “Inter-Allied Victory Medal 1914–1918”. Cyriel is one of only a handful of soldiers who have been buried during WWI at the Paris’ world famous cemetery of Père Lachaise, while Hector has been buried at the military cemetery of Houthulst, not far from where he was killed. The brothers have two great-grandfathers who had earlier fought in Napoleon’s "Grande Armée". They are the granduncles of soprano and music composer Françoise Vanhecke and physicist and Georgia Tech Professor Nico Felicien Declercq. They are also blood-related to Belgium’s well-known music composer Peter Benoit. User:FlandersFieldsStory'' 12:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * New introduction written after an email discussion with Prof Declercq - he felt that the article was not well-written because the essential facts had been hidden in the bulk of the article and did not come out clearly in the intro which may have caused incomplete judgement. Also the fact that engraved evidence on a grave is of equal importance as facts listed in books, may have been overlooked. It may also be worthwile mentioning that Cyriel Lesage is buried a few meters away from Edith Piaf and many other notable people at Pere Lachaise in Paris. This is the new introduction :
 * I'm not trying to decry your article, though it would be good if you could keep to one account only in discussion (WP:Sockpuppet). Close on half a million Belgians were awarded the Inter-allied Victory medal (i.e. the entire army); the Yser Medal is a campaign medal awarded to all soldiers of four divisions that took part in the Battle of the Yser. The Croix de Guerre is a gallantry medal, but is much more commonly awarded for long service and is very common. Unfortunately, it is not really notable. @DGG, Judith Declerque is not named as head of the organization, just the head of provincial part of it - so one of the top 8 people in a small organization over a small time period...User:FlandersFieldsStory, please read WP:NotabilityBrigade Piron (talk) 13:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. As there is no relationship between these four articles I really don't think we can consider them as a single AfD. In any case, Judith Declerq has her own AfD. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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