Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cyrille Bara


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The result was redirect to Céline Bara. Don't see any reason to delete first. (non-admin closure) ansh 666 03:40, 12 August 2017 (UTC) overturning to delete and redirect. The nac is a blantly incorrect assessment of the consensus undoubtedly reflecting the closers lack of a delete button. Hint, leave these to the admiins Spartaz Humbug! 21:14, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Cyrille Bara

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The article about this person has just been deleted on the French Wikipedia, so we may consider deleting this entry also. As a porn director/producer/occasional performer, Cyrille Bara completely fails WP:PORNBIO, even by the modest standards of France's porn industry. He never won any awards, or made notable films, or started notable trends. His only claim to notability is that he is the husband/director/producer/manager/cousin of Céline Bara, who herself probably wouldn't meet WP:PORNBIO with her career alone, but does barely meet WP:GNG for two reasons. First, in 2001, Mr and Ms Bara assaulted with a gun their colleague HPG (who is a notable porn personality in France and would deserve his own entry here, but that's another matter) and were jailed for that reason. Obviously, this caused their careers in porn - and they were far from being major players in French porn anyway - to come pretty much to an end. Second and most importantly, in 2012 Céline Bara ran for parliament, which caused a short-lived (and limited) media circus around her. But the newspapers articles were centered around her, and her husband - who was her running mate - was only mentioned in passing (and sometimes not at all). Cyrille Bara does not seem to have any individual claim to fame, as his own notability relies entirely on his wife's already limited notoriety. His work as a pornographer/photographer/militant atheist/politician/whatever has never attracted any attention in notable sources, apart from what his wife said or did during the 2012 elections. And even Céline Bara has not attracted much attention in the French mainstream media since 2012. There seems to have been a cross-wiki effort to promote both spouses : while Céline Bara does deserve a small entry - more as a curiosity than as a porn performer or politician - it appears that Cyrille Bara does not have the required notability to justify an individual article about him. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 07:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete and Redirect to Celine Bara as it seems like all sources on Google News talk about him in the context of his wife. Morbidthoughts (talk) 02:38, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * yes, the only time he was mentioned on an equal basis with her seems to have been in 2002 when they were sentenced for having attacked a competitor with a gun. See here if you can read French. The article also makes it clear that, unlike their victim, they were not important figures in France's porn industry. As for the 2012 elections, the media coverage was centered on her, for pretty obvious reasons (apart from the fact that she, and not him, was the titular candidate). Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 08:32, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and Redirect to Celine Bara. Does not meet WP:GNG, due to lack of significant independent and reliable secondary sources, as evidenced here, and heavy reliance upon his wife's website, celinebara.com. No specific notability distinct from that of his wife, "porn star" Celine Bara. Moreover, a meaningful part of the article looks like some kind of advertisement, with undue emphasis given to irrelevant information such as his political activities and his being "radically anti-religious", without any proper independent and reliable sources. --Azurfrog (talk) 17:13, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


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