Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Død Beverte


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. &mdash; Joseph Fox 00:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Død Beverte

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Subject does not pass notability (music). Page is for promotion and therefore prohibited. The infobox used to list the "official website" for this artist but following the link reveals it to be link spam for a merchandise sales page with no content related to the subject. I have since removed the link. Even though it may seem quite obvious that the subject is not notable, I have to go through each of the references and demonstrate why they do not establish notability, because I am sure that this deletion nomination will be vociferously challenged: ''ref numbers are from this stable version
 * 1) linked content makes no mention whatsoever of the subject
 * 2) Mega metal magazine may or may not have ever mentioned the subject, and mega metal magazine may or may not be a real publication. ref does not provide a link but you should check out their website to find out for yourself. this certainly does not pass WP:RS.
 * 3) link in ref is broken. same as above, not WP:RS, does not establish notability. I looked around and wolfhoundmetalradio.org is a real website, but I was unable to find any content related to the subject.
 * 4) Allmusic.com is a questionable source for metal info, it seems that the consensus is that it can be used for track listings and discography, although there is much disgreement about this because such content is often inacurate. Allmusic in this context cannot be used to establish notability. regardless of the source. The only content on the page is a track list and very very skeletal details. There is no commentary or content that relates directly to the subject, certainly not enough to establish notability.
 * 5) the brief bio they give is labeled as "user contributed text" there for cannot be used to establish notability. This label actually disappears very quickly on my browser but look at the source of the page.
 * 6) Discogs also give no information whatsoever about subject, only a track listing for an album that it says was released Sept. 11 2011, i.e. not yet. This is also user-submitted content so not RS.
 * 7) This is a self-published press release so clearly can't be used to establish notability.
 * 8) Not RS and doesn't provide any information about the subject other than name, genre, and formed 2011.
 * 9) broken link, no other details of the source. I was not able to find any publication by this name, "Holy Crap!" but no date or page or issue or other details or given so that likely also leads nowhere.
 * 10) Someone on the website headfullofnoise.com appears to have written a review of an album by the subject. That someone is named "Zombiegoats". That some anonymous blogger has an opinion about this album is interesting but it doesn't establish notability and its not a reliable secondary source.
 * 11) a paragraph about a song by the artist one can download on Jamendo.com doesn't establish notability because it is user submitted content
 * 12) also user submitted content, and just another track listing for an album to be released in the future.

I wouldn't have gone to so much trouble to prove not-notability if the user(s) editing the page hadn't gone to such great lengths in their attempts to establish the illusion of notability. Metal lunchbox (talk) 21:58, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great lengths like lying? with your second to last "#" you fail to mention the article itself is not user-submitted. For your sick kicks I found you a press release on the site: http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/4370/20901/Dethcentrik-releases-first-music-video-single-from-Crucified-Babies . Notice it even says "press release." "with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users." The link you so willingly attempted to discredit as user-submitted was staff written. I don't want your lies to go unoticed by others reading this AfD BusyWikipedian (talk) 08:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Metal lunchbox has said it well. No notability outside his band which is also not notable (Articles for deletion/Dethcentrik (2nd nomination)). duffbeerforme (talk) 01:18, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep If user were so confident that claim were in good faith, user would not frequently vandalize page and harass users Talk:Død Beverte. False claims about user submitted content are a violation of Wikipedia's policies, authors' names are give, the author is the owner of the site. Head Full Of Noise. "User submitted content" claims are flat out lies, please read the articles fully, and don't make up parts you refuse to read. AllMusic is one of Wikipedia's most used third party sources, more lies to discredit page. Claims that sources are not reliable are made on the fly. This deletion discussion relies on lies and persistent vandalism to intentionally debunk it. Self published sources are allowed for use... 174.24.62.44 (talk) 04:21, 14 August 2011 (UTC) — 174.24.62.44 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Perhaps we could cool it with the accusations. I already talked to you about this. Any editor can look for themselves to evaluate the truth of what I am saying. I think I've made it pretty clear so I'm not going to argue with you. As for self published sources see WP:SPS. Metal lunchbox (talk) 04:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Assuming that by "user", the anonymous editor means Metal lunchbox, I have looked at all of Metal lunchbox's contributions to the two linked pages (the article and its talk page) and I can't see anything that could remotely be regarded as vandalism or harassment. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete While I personally know the artist, I have to stick with Wikipedia guidelines. The fact remains that this guy just does not pass WP:N. The sites and sources given are all trivial at best. Most of them are user edited sites with no paid staff, and the radio interviews are from non notable sources as well. (i.e., the shows themselves are not notable) The other sites are nothing more than a track listing and cover art. The Undead Never Die (talk) 02:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Plenty of third party sources. There is no reason to delete an artist with this amount of coverage. Many of the reasons the editor wanting to delete the article gives are intentionally misleading. I'm sorry, but the "paragraph about a song by the artist one can download on Jamendo.com" states "As Reported by: Jason Fisher" and if you read info about the site you will see he is the owner of the site. And I'm sorry but a user-submitted content label that suddenly disappears? I didn't see it. The only things found written by the source itself do satisfy SPS.BusyWikipedian (talk) 15:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC) — BusyWikipedian (talk • contribs)
 * from the source, "Død Beverte is the only original musician of Dethcentrik, a band from Colorado, and his main project. Død has released one solo album, and is often himself synonymous with Dethcentrik, and he also took part in the underground supergroup Divine Punishment. User-contributed text is available under the Creative Commons By-SA License and may also be available under the GNU FDL.. ." even it it were written by a reliable secondary source (it isn't) its just a single sentence which does nothing to establish notability. Metal lunchbox (talk) 19:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As for self-published sources you should read the guideline, "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer." Metal lunchbox (talk) 19:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment "I personally know the artist." Which means you're admitting you're a conflict of interest by admitting that. I really see nothing listed that isn't reliable as a source. I see plenty of sources that are in-depth, reliable, third party opinions. BusyWikipedian (talk) 02:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * We have a particular set of standards for defining reliable sources that you should familiarize yourself with. It isn't always clear cut, but see WP:RS for a set of guidelines you can use to evaluate whether or not a source is reliable in the sense that it should be included on Wikipedia. In general blogs (WP:BLOGS) and webpages of user-submitted content (WP:USERG) are not acceptable. The WP:verifiability policy is a little more strict on Biographies of living persons (WP:BLP) which is what this article is. Regardless of the sources, the article is about a musician (WP:MUSICBIO) but according to the article that musician hasn't released an album or made any performances or had any impact on the world whatsoever. You should also know that notability is not inherited, if Dethcentric were notable then the subject of this article would not inherit that notability by association. The number of the sources cited is just a mask for the subjects lack of notability. I think that if you familiarize yourself with some of these guidelines your work on Wikipedia will be more constructive. - Metal lunchbox (talk) 03:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * In regards to user-submission accepting pages, it states "with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users." Jason Fisher is listed as the President of The Gauntlet, and therefore articles written by him are by staff. You also so ignorantly claim: "according to the article that musician hasn't released an album." The discography lists releases of a single and an album. And that itself is verifiable on many sites: http://www.billboard.com/artist/d%C3%B8d-beverte/discography/songs/1680099#/artist/d%C3%B8d-beverte/discography/albums/1680099, http://www.allmusic.com/album/crucified-babies-r2184185, http://www.iodalliance.com/album/crucified-babies/360864 (the IODA is part of Sony Music) I also looked for archives and evidence that the broken links in fact existed, and so far have this: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CD52F1D9E7E6CEBB , http://www.google.com/#q=%22D%C3%B8d+Beverte%22+%22Deep+Six+Radio%22+-wikipedia&hl=en&prmd=ivns&filter=0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=af5f4f3fbb50940f&biw=1920&bih=926 . BusyWikipedian (talk) 05:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The album is not released yet (sept 11, 2011) and the "single" is just a single self-produced track uploaded to an empty jamendo profile. I think any reasonable person would say that is not a significant discography. - Metal lunchbox (talk) 20:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment directed towards BusyWikipedian. I know I admitted to what would appear to be a COI issue, however, I have never edited any page related to him, his band, or his work. The Undead Never Die (talk) 21:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete No evidence of notability. Two of the "references" are links to pages that don't even mention Død Beverte, and none of the others can by any stretch be regarded as third party reliable sources. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - No evidence of notability, and I concur with the nominator's assessment of the references in the article. -- Whpq (talk) 18:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.