Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dübendorf Air Base


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The result was Keep.  (non-admin closure)Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:46, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Dübendorf Air Base

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Poorly sourced article, based on WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Unreliable. The Banner talk 22:00, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Keep it Dübendorf is called the birthplace of swiss aviatic, and military aviatic. it was one of the firstmilitary airfields of switzerland. the first airshows wehre held here, until ww2 it was also the civil airport and the swissair was foundet here. one of the first civil aviation buildings of europa was buld there and exists still (today building of the Berufsfliegerkorps) in WW2 it was an important fighterbase and many US Bomber like B-17 where forced to land in dübendorf and held until the end of WW2, als  a Nazi Nightfighter with lichtenstein Radar endet up in dübendorf and the first jet ever a Nazi Me262 landet here. After WW2 it was an important base for the Jetfighters, air shows wit air to ground firing and droping of napalm was shown to the public. it was the home of the Recon Mirage IIIRS. The first homebase of the Patrouille suisse (now its Emmen AFB). The P-16 took of from Dübendorf for its first supersonic flight.Until 2007 it was the home of F/A-18 Sqad 11 Tigers. All jet, Transport ac and helicoptertypes operatet at "Dübi". also the Solarimpulse1 HB-SIA took of from here for its first flight, and was brought back to Dübendorf from the USA in a B747F who landet here. Since WW2 it was the home of the UeG überwachungsgeschader and now of the BFK Berufsfliegerkorps. the first Radar surveilance was established at Dübi after WW2. Today is Dübendorf the homebase of  Helicopter transport units, homebase of the Superpuma Display Team , PC-7Team, the Military SAR helicopter and the civil REGA SAR and the Policehelicopter of canton zurich. The Military Air defens and directions center is lokatet here the AOC Air Operations Center of the Swiss Air Force is locatet here and also the civil Skyguide Air Traffic center. Dübendorf AFB is in history and in its actual rol important enough to be here on wikipedia. FFA P-16 (talk) 22:27, 19 September 2014 (UTC) @Banner you had before delete some parts of theText, with the argument that no refernce ist given. I had you shown that all this points are in the refrence and i had translatet it for you. so put this now after this for deletion seems not right to me." It is what will be happen to this AFB vom 2016 to araound 2022. Since short after WW2 dübendorf was 100% military airfild. had fighterjet do 2007. Helicopters and Prop aircraft today .it is a Miltary Air base, in the future is mil&civil aviatic and the inovationspark. the refrences  clearly say this.I have translatet some important parts with google, you can check it if you don't belive me.". Unter anderem die Geschäftsfliegerei und die Kleinaviatik sollen dort eine Basis erhalten" =Among other things, the business aviation and sportaircrat pilots are there get a base."Es soll künftig deshalb dreiteilig genutzt werden: Erstens als Flugfeld für den Bund, zweitens für die zivile Fliegerei und drittens für einen Innovationspark."=It should therefore continue to be used in three parts: First, as an airfield for the federal government, secondly for civil aviation and thirdly for Innovation Park."Konkret soll es im Norden des Flugplatzes einen Standort für Helikopter geben. Diesen Platz wird sich das VBS mit der Schweizerischen Rettungsflugwacht (Rega) und der Zürcher Kantonspolizei teilen, alle drei haben eigene Helikopter."=Specifically, it is intended to provide a location for helicopters in the north of the airfield. This location, the VBS will share with the Swiss Air Rescue (Rega) and the Zurich cantonal police, all three have their own helicopter."Daneben bleibt genügend Platz bleibt für den Innovationspark. Rund 70 Hektaren sind dafür reserviert, wie Bundesrätin Doris Leuthard (cvp.) an der Medienkonferenz ausführte"= In addition, there is sufficient space remains for the Innovation Park. About 70 hectares are reserved for how Federal Councillor Doris Leuthard (cvp.) Executed at the press conference.

It is clerly said that the REGA and the Police Helicopters have to move to the NORD, next to the Military helicopter (REGA is at the moment on the opposide side of the AFB to the mil helicopters, Police Helicopter is at the moment on the top of the AFB at that place weher the Inovations Park will be built) in the ref its clerly said that the have to move to the nord:Konkret soll es im Norden des Flugplatzes einen Standort für Helikopter geben. Diesen Platz wird sich das VBS mit der Schweizerischen Rettungsflugwacht (Rega) und der Zürcher Kantonspolizei teilen, alle drei haben eigene Helikopter = Specifically, it is intended to provide a location for helicopters in the north of the airfield. This location, the VBS will share with the Swiss Air Rescue (Rega) and the Zurich cantonal police, all three have their own helicopter." FFA P-16 (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

On german wikipedia is much more informations about Dübendorf AFB. as my english is not well enough to translate everything may some one who is able to do it can improve it here in the english wikipedia. FFA P-16 (talk) 00:07, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  23:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep or speedy keep since the nominator has not identified a valid rationale for deletion. Being unsourced or having OR (I saw no evidence of egregious problems with sourcing; there are references, they just aren't inline) is a reason for maintenance tagging, not deletion. --Jakob (talk)  23:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

@What should i have made up?. Everything you put into question is in that refrerence. I showed you and translatet it also to english. It clearly say that the REGA and Police Helicopters have to move :"Konkret soll es im Norden des Flugplatzes einen Standort für Helikopter geben.Diesen Platz wird sich das VBS mit der Schweizerischen Rettungsflugwacht (Rega) und der Zürcher Kantonspolizei teilen, alle drei haben eigene alle drei haben eigene Helikopter."So if they put all helicopters together in the nord, the REGA and Police have to move to the nord because they are at the moment on other locations on LSMD, REGA Base is near the Museum oposide the Skyguide Building  anear Überlandstrasse and the Mil Helicopter are locatet next to the skyguide Building  near the motorway A53 the Police Helicopter is today locatet on the other side of the skyguide Building as the Military helicopters, on top of  Dübendorf AFB  In the Buildings next to Wangenstrasse. FFA P-16 (talk) 10:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC) @The Banner. So you nominated it because I should made things up..I have shown you a online surce as referenc, also you should know that books also can be a ref and we have here a book who covers most of this wikipage it also has a chapter about the future plan for LSMD ( Menschen Maschinen Missionen Geschichten vom Militärflugplatz Dübendorf 1914-2014, published by Schweizer Luftwaffe 12014 ISBN 978-3-033-04653-5). Sorry but in my eyes you are to trigger happy with nominating this (and ALR Prianha) for deletion. You say you understand german so if you just spend the time to nominate this for deletion using this time for using google with key words like zukunft Flugplatz Dübendorf, REGA Dübendorf,Polizei Helikopter Dübendorf you have all refrences who clearly show that i am not have made a thing up. FFA P-16 (talk) 12:38, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. The reasons the nominator gives for deletion are issues for cleanup, not deletion; AfD is not for cleanup. The nominator seems to have a pattern of making poor nominations for deletion; a refresher of the deletion criterion and alternatives to deletion may not be amiss. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:29, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The author of this article is making the article unreliable by making things up that are not in the source given. If you think that it is okay to have an unreliable article, than be happy with that Bushranger. But I prefer no article above an unreliable one. The Banner talk 03:11, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * You've come across an article that's badly written and unreliable? WP:SOFIXIT.--Oakshade (talk) 03:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The method I like to use to fix it, is called WP:TNT. The Banner talk 07:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Which is a form of SOFIXIT. Reduce it to a stub so editors, particularly new ones, have a foundation to build upon it.  Stubs are always better than no articles. --Oakshade (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. The subject is quite clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:12, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep This is obviously a significant and notable air base, with available sources.-- danntm T C 18:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep clearly notable, needs cleanup, not deletion. Tag it. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 21:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. A notable place. The article is in worse shape than most but so bad as to be in WP:TNT territory or really even close to it. Lagrange613 04:23, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination withdrawn People seem to think that sources are more important than a reliable content. If so, be happy with low quality articles and dissatisfied readers. The author of this article has more articles written about the Swiss airforce that are grossly overstating the facts or are creative with the sources. But when others don't care about that, why should I care about it. I withdraw the nomination and wish mr. Sockpuppeteer best of luck with undermining the encyclopaedia. The Banner talk 10:03, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * AFD is not the place for content disputes. Lagrange613 13:19, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I have given refrenc to any point you put in question, i showed it you online, and also you can read it in the book Menschen Maschinen Missionen Geschichten vom Militärflugplatz Dübendorf 1914-2014, published by Schweizer Luftwaffe 12014 ISBN 978-3-033-04653-5 Chapter Zukunft(Future) starting on page165. I don't overstating anything..I have delivered the references.FFA P-16 (talk) 10:28, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
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