Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DJ Pope


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

DJ Pope

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G11 declined by another editor because it was not really exclusively  promotional. Not a field where I know enough to judge notability, so I'm sending it here to afd for a community decision.  DGG ( talk ) 23:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep? Having a hard time deciding where I come down here; possibly delete is better. I don't think it looks terribly promotional. Keep rationale: reasonable (though not great) sourcing in the article, repeatedly called the right-hand man of J Balvin, one of the biggest stars in reggaeton. BUT the available sources are surprisingly thin for someone who is repeatedly called the right-hand man of one of the biggest stars in reggaeton. It seems like the article covers sources I identified using google, and I would expect that coverage of DJ Pope should be available online if anywhere (J Balvin hasn't been around very long). J Balvin has been releasing a ton of music lately, and you'd think if DJ Pope were important that he'd be mentioned in more news articles. Maybe reggaeton DJs aren't terribly important because every song uses the same underlying beat! :D Anyways, my 2 cents. Calliopejen1 (talk) 08:38, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: and others reading this discussion... the problem is that being the "right-hand man" and DJ of a world-famous reggaeton star is a bit like being the drummer or backing singer for a world-famous rock star... nobody really talks about you except in passing and usually only when they are talking about that famous star, so it's a bit of a WP:INHERITED fame. However, I will say that the sources are mostly reliable: El Tiempo and El Espectador are two of the three most important newspapers in the country, Shock is long-established and Colombia's biggest music magazine (previously published in print form, but now entirely online), and W Radio is a recognised and popular national radio station. With this in mind, I'm inclined to keep the article, but it is a weak keep, and I have no strong opinion about it. Richard3120 (talk) 17:38, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: You certainly make a good point, but it is worth noting that many/most of the sources (including at least one each from El Tiempo, El Espectador, Shock, and W Radio) are primarily about Pope, and don't merely discuss him in relation to J Balvin. I do know the article has some issues, though, and as the editor who moved it to mainspace and has done a good deal of work on it, I'll refrain from taking a formal stance on deletion. Noahfgodard (talk) 17:58, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * indeed they are specifically about him, hence my leaning to keeping the article, although I can say that DJ Pope is far from a household name even in Colombia. But as someone who has lived in the country for over a decade, I just wanted to state that I know the sources themselves to be reliable ones, because they may not be familiar to English-speaking editors – the editors can then decide for themselves whether their content is good enough to establish notability. Richard3120 (talk) 20:42, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, I just wanted to make sure that was pointed out. Thanks very much for sharing your expertise. Noahfgodard (talk) 20:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep - The DJ is not exactly getting strong endorsements here, but I find "weak keep" to be a valid vote per the comments above. It is true that the DJ is usually only mentioned in relation to his boss, and anything exclusively about him tends to be very short. But as Richard3120 found, this has taken place in reliable publications, and the DJ really has gotten some specific coverage for his record company and charity efforts, as seen in the final four or five footnotes currently in the article. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 19:24, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.