Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DJ SAY-G


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 00:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

DJ SAY-G
This article claims that the subject is an internationally known DJ who plays in Europe and North America. One would think that such a high-profile DJ would have some sort of reliable sources talking about him. Well, a search came up with a total of 260 Google hits, only 18 of which showed outside of the "similar articles" selection. These articles are MySpace pages, the artist's websites, and listings of DJs, as well as a couple of articles in (apparently) German that don't seem to be of substance. Thus, I feel that verification is lacking for this article. Looking at WP:MUSIC, about the only guideline that might be met would be the appearances in North America and Europe - but again, there are no reliable sources that I've managed to turn up referring to them. So, again, I don't believe the artist meets the guidelines at all, despite the claims of notability in the article itself. Finally, the editor who has done most of the work on this article is Most Wanted Club - which happens to be the name of the subject's business. Thus I smell an advertisement attempt, and at very least a failure of vanity guidelines. Delete unless someone can magic up some sources proving anything in it. Tony Fox (arf!) 04:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

"This article claims that the subject is an internationally known DJ who plays in Europe and North America."

THE ARTICLE DOES NOT CLAIM THIS !!! The only point the article refers to is that DJ SAY-G is booked in several countries. This does not mean that he (or whoever worte this text) claims to be internationally FAMOUS or KNOWN all over.

" 260 Google"

My research resulted in more results. However, this again does not deny any fact of the text given. As long as I understand the text, there is no phrase saying DJ SAY-G rules the Google Hits, nore doe sit represent his networking among international club promoters.

"appearances in North America and Europe - but again, there are no reliable sources that I've managed to turn up referring to them"

I don't know the company, but I think you can request a list of club references from Most Wanted Club Ent. with RELIABLE sources, such as telephone numbers to call and ask...

"User Name"

>>> this really lacks proof...anybody can choose any name to edit !!! Imagine you were a representative of the company and somebody judges you because of somebody chose your name.

" Thus I smell an advertisement attempt"

I don't see any advertisement attempt. It is an infomative text.

FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, IT'S A OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO !!!

NO NEED TO DELETE !!!

James Nickels — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Nickels (talk • contribs) - this editor has two edits, one here and one to the article being considered. I've refactored comments to move them below the initial deletion reason and eliminate an unnecessary header. Tony Fox (arf!) 04:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The bottom line here is that there's no proof anywhere that we're being informed about a notable individual as against someone who'd like to be notable. It may not be entirely an ad, but it's not the biography of a notable individual, either, and that's what trumps all. BigHaz 05:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - oh, and for the record a randomly-selected sample of the German sources don't add anything much to what we're dealing with here, so we don't seem to be dealing with someone astronomically famous in the non-Aglophone world but totally unknown within it (just in case anyone's worried). BigHaz 05:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I was indeed wondering about that, but the awful Google translation of a couple pages suggested the same thing. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Urgh, Google translations. You've got my sympathy on that one, you really do. BigHaz 05:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per BigHaz. Smells like vanity. Resolute 05:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I coincidentially read this page: Are you people, who are critisizing really into Hip Hop? Do you really know the industry? Be conscious...go ask yourself if you are a person, who really knows the DJ industry or a person who is good in Google-research? If so, go delete every DJ here, who has less than 500 Google entries (or you as an expert should tell the number)...

"not to be dealing with someone astronomically famous" >>> If so, go delete the 10 % of Wikipedia people !!!

I agree: there is nothing wrong with the text. NO DELETION ! PLEASE DO NOT OVERESTIMATE YOUR RESEARCH TALENT and I agree: ASK FOR SOURCES from the agency....and see his website for International bookings...

I ask myself if the artist even knows about all this... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.96.161.43 (talk • contribs) - IP has exclusively edited the article in question. And removed the AfD tag from the article earlier. Coincidental! Tony Fox (arf!) 06:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Go read the guidelines that I pointed out in the nomination. Sources, in this case, refer to reliable sources - magazines, newspapers, etc., not the company involved. It's the burden of the article editors to prove notability. Tony Fox (arf!) 06:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In response to the IP (over and above Tony Fox's suggestion), a couple of minor points. It sounds from your comments that you believe that Wikipedia exists to document each and every DJ in the world. We don't. We exist to document each and every DJ (or singer, ski jumper, politician, doctor etc etc) who is actually notable. There is no indication on this DJ's article or on Google that he is in fact notable. If there are other DJs listed on Wikipedia who are not notable, then they stand a high chance of being deleted as well - the fact that they're here at the moment doesn't mean that they should be, it just means that nobody's put them up for deletion yet. What I said about "dealing with someone astronomically famous" was because of the fact that some of the pages which Google threw up as results were in German. Therefore, one might wonder if DJ SAY-G was perhaps very famous in Germany but not in the rest of the world (yes, this does happen every now and then, someone very famous in one country is nominated for deletion because he/she doesn't appear famous to someone in another country). However, because I speak German, I was able to read the pages in German and determine that not only is he not notable in English, neither is he notable in German. BigHaz 07:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. savidan(talk) (e@) 08:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom (no reliable sources/WP:V). Looks like vanity/spam as well.Wickethewok 13:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator's research and reasoning. To the anon: impassioned pleas (with ALL CAPS and exclamation points!!!) to keep an article rarely work, and indeed can often backfire.  Please keep this in mind. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  13:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete lacks reliable sources WilyD 14:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Deleted Vanity.--ZayZayEM 15:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 'tis but vanity Marcus22 17:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom --RMHED 21:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Oy -- that photo. Robertissimo 02:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per the very convincing arguments inadvertantly being made by the original author. A DJ, of all people, who doesn't show up on Google a mere 500 times&mdash;a weekend DJ I went out with once three years ago has 860 hits, and she's NN&mdash;should be deleted. Wikipedia is not a place for people to achieve notability. Comments along the lines of "ask him, ask his agent" miss the point. If he were notable, we wouldn't need to ask his own flack about him. ♥ «Charles A. L.» 18:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete Pork product - no more, no less.  Terminate with eXtreme Prejudice.  Cain Mosni 14:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


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