Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DJ Spen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn by Nominator due to the sources proposed in the debate and the consensus that the article actually needs to be cleaned up. The nominator (me) vows to help in the cleanup effort. (non-admin closure) ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:27, 8 January 2019 (UTC).

DJ Spen

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This article has a lot of information but it really reaches for notability in awkward ways, and it is entirely dependent on routine sources from Discogs pages and the typical retail/streaming sites. The DJ has a few vague brushes with greatness, as his early group Numarx was known for having a song covered by Milli Vanilli, he was briefly a member of The Basement Boys who had one minor hit single, and his current record company has released items by notable artists. But I don't think that any of this justifies an article on the DJ himself, who has little evidence of notability on his own. He can be mentioned as a collaborator in articles about other people/companies, and possibly redirected to The Basement Boys if anyone thinks that's a good idea. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 18:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 18:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Basement Boys. Discogs liner notes don't add up to notability, but I don't really see a reason not to redirect to the nearest-notable thing the subject contributed to. Switching vote to keep, while most of the criteria supposedly satisfied below according to MarCoop don't appear to pass muster (for the most part those aren't reliable sources or non-trivial coverage, etc.) the Billboard charting is enough to satisfy keep signed,Rosguill talk 20:36, 2 January 2019 (UTC) 03:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. He was with Basement Boys at least 10 years - not sure if that’s considered brief - and seemingly the most relevant member left in terms of still creating music and working in the industry. At least I’m not coming up with much on the others except Karizma who has a page as well. It seems that much of his work was actually after the Basement Boys. My searches show that he is currently very relevant on the house music scene - seeing lots of recent connections to Defected Records, southport weekender, and DJ Mag which are the biggest names in house/dance music. I also found two Billboard number 1 dance chart hits from summer 2018. I turned up several current interviews and press items - much of it U.K. and Europe-based. I also found billing/advertisements confirming his participation in some of the big house music festivals in Croatia, UK and Ibiza for spring/summer 2019. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TripleSpin (talk • contribs) 23:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I don’t believe the reasons mentioned by Doomsdayer520 provide any valid rationale for why DJ Spen’s page should be deleted. The reasons mentioned do not appear to be a part of the criteria as reflected in the Notability guidelines and seem to be more opinion than fact based.

The Notability guidelines state that “Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.” I believe that DJ Spen meets at least 6 criteria.

 Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1]

Yes, DJ Spen has. Below are a few links: https://www.houseoffrankie.com/listen-to-dj-spens-new-gospel-house-single-my-soul-is-a-witness-here/ http://www.soulfulseduction.co.uk/djspen/ https://myhouseradio.fm/2018/10/03/myhouseradio-qa-with-legend-dj-spen/ https://www.foundationsofhouse.com/blog/songs-and-beats-and-rhythms-in-conversation-with-dj-spen-foh2018 https://www.mobilebeat.com/dj-spen-and-genesis-jones-new-music/ https://www.spiritofhouse.com/reviews/music-reviews/spotlight281018.html https://mixmag.net/read/defected-takeover-in-the-lab-ibz-karizma-b2b-dj-spen-dj-lab In addition, featured in radio interviews: https://soundcloud.com/solus-music/mike-solus-presents-khillaudio-soulful-sundayz-live-housemasters-radio-211018-10 https://housemasters-radio.com/artists-profile/artists-profile

Video: Mixmag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omg3L7Plr0E

Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.

Yes. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8463311/donna-summer-hot-stuff-2018-dance-club-songs-chart https://www.billboard.com/music/dj-spen-presents-jasper-street-company/chart-history/dance-club-play-songs/song/349024

Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).

Yes, Quantize Recordings, MN2S, Defected Records, 1 Life Records, MoBlack Records, SoulHouse Music, Soulstar, Nervous Records

Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.[note 5] This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g. musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them.)</li>

Member of Basement Boys for 10 years. Also performs with Karizma (who has a Wikipedia page) as Deepah Ones.

<li>Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.[note 4]</li>

http://ibizaglobal.tv/videos_list/bobby-steve-groove-assasin-dj-spen-terry-hunter-groove-odyssey-special-set/ http://www.southportweekender.co.uk/dj-spen/ https://5mag.net/news/southport-weekender-2018/

<li>Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.</li>

Prominent representation of notable style - #2 Soulful House Artist of 2018 https://news.traxsource.com/articles/2787/traxsource-top-100-soulful-house-artists-of-2018

Prominent representation of notable style - #1 Souful House Artist of 2017 https://news.traxsource.com/articles/2736/traxsource-top-100-soulful-house-artists-of-2017</ol> — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarCoop (talk • contribs) 22:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment from Nominator - I would argue that some of the sources suggested by MarCoop are not in fact "reliable" but are merely routine listings (e.g. housemasters-radio.com or soundcloud.com) but others look pretty good. Unless someone else votes to delete, I can withdraw the nomination. But in any case, the article needs to be improved significantly with some of these new sources, with the removal of a lot of promotional language. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 15:02, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree that it needs to be cleaned up. This discussion can help guide that process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarCoop (talk • contribs) 22:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


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