Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DOGMA (1994 film)


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

DOGMA (1994 film)

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prod tag was removed by the creator. I still think this film does not pass the notability bar. I wasn't able to find any source for the claim about Burroughs and Phoenix. (nor for the claims that it was shown on US cable and in festivals) The author of the article claims that the bit about River Phoenix can be read on Amazon's free preview but I can only read half of the sentence. It seems really more of a passing mention and the author of the book didn't include this film in River Phoenix filmography. River Phoenix died in 93 so any remotely notable 1994 film that involved him in any way would have gotten huge exposure. In the case of DOGMA, I can't even find a review and it's not on the online databases such as IMDb. Pichpich (talk) 16:33, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Generally it would be unusual for a film that is not even listed in the Internet Movie Database to be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete possibly a hoax. Burroughs and River Poenix and no mentions anywhere? Yeah right.--GrapedApe (talk) 16:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is one of many potentially COI articles created to form a walled garden around the director. A search brings up no reliable and independent sources to show that this film is notable. Now even if River Phoenix were to star in the film, having a notable person in the film does not guarantee that the film will be notable. (Plus there's concerns over it being a hoax, although even if it's not one source is not enough to keep the article.) In any case, this just isn't notable in the slightest. It fails WP:NFILM by a mile.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 16:51, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did a search on amazon and sure enough, it is mentioned. HOWEVER, it should be specified that Phoenix did not narrate for this movie. The book states "In 1994, underground artist/filmmaker, Keanu Clinger, wrote and directed the film Dogma. He gives River narration credit, although what is heard is River's recording of "Txai" from Milton Nascimento's recording. The movie is also dedicated to River in the closing credits." In other words, the director did not get Phoenix to narrate specifically for him, he used an audio clip of Phoenix reading something. That's not exactly the same thing. Even so, having a relation to a notable person is not enough to warrant an entry and the mention of this is so insanely brief that it would most likely be considered a trivial mention and certainly nothing that should be mentioned on Phoenix's page. After all, we don't list every time a film, song, or other recording uses a sound clip from somewhere or someone else.So it's not really a hoax, but neither is it exactly as it's mentioned in the article.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 17:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as lacking in-depth coverage in reliable independent third party sources. If the article is improve to include such sources, feel free to ping my talk page. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.