Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DST International


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The result was   merge into DST Systems. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

DST International

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No assertion of notability nor any notability per WP:CORP, references broken or piped press releases Madcoverboy (talk) 22:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, all content mentioned is covered in the parent company (that is inherently notably for being listed on NYSE). As far as I can tell from the article (there are no independent sources to rely on) this company is merely a sales office for international distribution; making it inherently non-suitable for a separate article. Arsenikk (talk)  23:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, changing my vote since the subsidiary seems to be notable independent of the parent company; a simple news search finds ample news. Arsenikk (talk)  09:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I wrote a response, but then I lost it somewhere in the wiki ether. It goes something like this. 1)DST International is not the international arm of DST Systems and actually sells products that the parent does not. (HiPortfolio, a very common fund accounting software being one. (Google HiPortfolio for ref) 2)I am relatively new to wikipedia and it was my failure to use software properly that led to error in refs, I have now repaired with outside sources and notes. 3) I find it very unusual that a company is notable by its mere presence on the NYSE, by that argument, should every company on every exchange get a mention? Or is the US special in some regard? 4)I have removed most piped press releases and added a few articles I have seen regarding the company, hopefully these are notable. 5) As a subsidiary, it is not listed under its parent, which brings into doubt the "completeness" of the DST Systems piece. As a regular user of HiPortfolio3, which is well known, I found it strange that this company was not listed. I will work on a HiPortfolio entry in the near future. 6) Content is covered in parent as I tried to write to the same style, and did not wish to have this listing longer than bigger parent. Also, CRD mentioned in the article should have an entry here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liambussell (talk • contribs) 04:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The basic criteria for being notable is that it "has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources" (per WP:CORP); in practice this means there must be two news articles written in a non-trivial manner about the company, excluding press releases. Public listed companies always meet this criteria since ample is written about them just because they are listed, either it be on NYSE or the Mongolian Stock Exchange; so yes — all listed companies throughout the world can have an article on Wikipedia. As to separate articles on subsidiaries, there is no stated policy on Wikipedia on this, but in general what is done is that an article on a subsidiary is only created if there is enough to write about for a full-length article, or it has operations that significantly differ from the parent; otherwise a section in the parent article with a redirect is sufficient. Arsenikk (talk)  20:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I added two references from what I guess are financial news websites.207.34.229.126 (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment As they appear in the news a number of times, and coming back to my initial point, DST International is the sole vendor of two systems of Note, HiPortfolio, a fund accounting program (which is very well known) and HiRisk/Askari (Which is a portfolio Risk Analysis program) both are widely used, and I wanted to add an entry for HiPortfolio, as I use it everyday. If you search Google or MSN etc, there are Hiportfolio jobs listings, training courses and info pages, all seperate to DST International. So I feel the company that provides the product is therefore notable. Sorry, the above comment is meLiambussell (talk) 07:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete There is no independent distinction or notability. That a subsidiary will have some distinctive projects or products is a matter of course, and inherent in the very nature of such an organization, but they would have to be especially notable to warrant a separate article. Any key imformation can be merged. DGG (talk) 06:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to parent company, with section redirect. The information is more interesting in a more comprehensive article on the company.Yobmod (talk) 10:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect separate article does not find support under notability requirements nor manual of style.  Jerry  talk ¤ count/logs 02:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


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