Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DZMD


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:10, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

DZMD

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Probable hoax. No evidence that this station exists. It is not listed the 2018 list of FM stations by the NTC. That list also does not identify any FM station located in the province of Bataan (Region 3). Bluemask (talk) 11:22, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This article was previously been CSD'd and PROD'd. --Bluemask (talk) 11:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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 * This smells. I am not an expert on radio in the Philippines, however, this source shows six radio stations in Balanga City, Bataan.  All previously had wikipedia articles.  All the others, systematically wiped out, ten years after their creation.  Why would this source indicate they existed, why did they exist for so long before all being wiped out?  Did somebody create all those fraudulent articles and they stayed for that long?  Why is the entire province not listed in the government source?  Comparing to the source listed, there are certainly far fewer stations listed.  It seems far more reasonable for a population center to have some media than to be a complete void.  The responses to the attached foi request seems to have overwhelmed the government agency, perhaps this list is incomplete?  Years ago I happened onto a similar situation, where someone was trying to wipe out another region's radio stations.  I can google sources, and did.  Why does nobody else seem to find sources that verify this content.  I can't verify anything in person, I cannot point to which parties are being disingenuous.  But this stinks. Trackinfo (talk) 07:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Even if the stations did exist at the time that RadioStationWorld compiled that directory but have since gone out of business, the thing is that simply existing is not in and of itself a notability clincher for a radio station on Wikipedia — what a radio station requires is reliable source verification that it meets all three of three criteria: having a proper license from the appropriate regulatory authority, rather than operating as an unlicensed pirate or Part 15 station; originating at least some of its own programming, rather than operating solely as a rebroadcaster of content that originates with a parent service; and actually being operational, rather than existing solely as an unlaunched license that exists on paper but isn't actually broadcasting. Whether it "stinks" or not, the ability of a radio station to qualify for a Wikipedia article requires us to be able to reliably source that all three of those conditions are true, and it is not enough for a radio station's article to just claim that they're true without citing any sources to verify that. Bearcat (talk) 17:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. In order for a radio station to qualify for an article, we require reliable source coverage to properly verify that the station actually meets the notability criteria for radio stations (which I already enumerated above in reply to Trackinfo, so I won't repeat here.) It is not enough, however, to simply cite archived copies of the station's own self-promotional materials — we have seen people try to legitimize hoax articles about radio stations that didn't really exist by creating fake websites and fake press releases to "verify" that the stations really existed, so that kind of source material does not clinch a station's notability at all: what we require is independent sources, such as articles in the local newspaper about the radio station's launch. So no, the new sources Trackinfo has been adding don't cut it. Bearcat (talk) 17:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Scott (talk) 21:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find anything to support this, and I can find circumstantial evidence that this is... let's say "inaccurate", if we want to avoid calling things outright hoaxes. The Philippine government does/did acknowledge the existence of DZMD radio. But not this DZMD. Rather, DZMD-AM 1161, operating out of Daet. It has a substub article in the Central Bikol Wikipedia that doesn't cite sources, but does suggest that it's the real station with this callsign. I can't find any presence for an FM station with the DZMD callsign except here and in the context of webcast radio; I think the overwhelmingly likely situation is that it simply doesn't exist as a conventional, licensed radio station. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Considering both Squeamish's source that DZMD exists only as an AM station (and has much more of a Google trail) and the article creator's only contribs here were to create this and push this (see their filter log for attempts to create a 'network' involving this station), this is yet another Filipino radio hoax from someone playing pretend with their radio playlists and uploading them to a radio streaming service. Really tired of these; every month or two we have to deal with this. This station's Google track seems to involve a bunch of fake YouTube vids of their 'airchecks', and if it 'soothes the whole country with its network of MY FM BATAAN', considering that being in Manila is a de facto requirement to being a network in the country, there's nothing here to suggest this station is real at all.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:50, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. -The Gnome (talk) 13:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)


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