Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DZUP (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

DZUP
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A University campus radio station. No evidence of any notability, Only refs are its own web-site and an Alumni year-book. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk 11:39, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn - previous AfD made this a redirect. Now changed back to that redirect.  Velella  Velella Talk 11:43, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * And changed back to an article. Do you still want to withdraw.?PRehse (talk) 13:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - Although this article has a "lack of notability", I have added proper citations on the context, including articles from UP Diliman's official website (but not on the station's official website) and from Rappler. Zzrocket (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The university is still directly affiliated with the station, so content on the university's website does not aid in demonstrating notability. Bearcat (talk) 18:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - WP:ORG is not an appropriate guideline for this nom. Meets WP:BROADCAST and WP:STUDENTMEDIA easily. AkoyIanS (talk) 15:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep The article had been improved its notability with additional cite references. I have no other additional comments but that's it. Aztegdude (talk) 10:40, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - A message advertising this deletion discussion was posted on a Facebook group. Please take this into account when interpreting consensus. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I apologized for that. I'll be careful the next time around. Zzrocket (talk) 14:30, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The message advertising about this deletion discussion posted on a Facebook group page was deleted by one of the group page's administrators. AkoyIanS (talk) 03:12, 21 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete THAT STATION IS A HOAX! IT MUST BE ELIMINATED! HoaxKiller401 (talk) 15:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You did something wrong. Please do not blank pages and add inappropriate speedy deletion templates to articles, suggesting they are hoaxes when they are clearly not. This suggests you are intentionally trying to remove articles you do not like. Neither course of action is appropriate. Zzrocket (talk) 17:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Restore redirect to University of the Philippines Diliman. The notability test for a radio station is not passed just because the article says it's passed — it's passed only when its claims to passage are supported by reliable source coverage about the station in media other than itself. But of the seven footnotes here, five are to the university's own web page (which is still a directly affiliated primary source, and not support for notability), and the Rappler source is still a press release from the station itself (so still not support for notability). And the last one, PeriodismoHumano, is a citizen journalism project that allows anybody to submit their own personal journalism about anything, and thus still not valid support for notability because that type of publication can be (and often is) misused by people and organizations to game our rules by creating their own "media coverage" about themselves. The notability test for a radio station is not passed by what an article says, it's passed by how well the article can reference what it says to media coverage it didn't create itself — and the sources here simply aren't cutting it at all. So this can certainly be mentioned in the article on the university, as is standard for student radio stations, but these sources aren't adequate to earn it a standalone article separately from being mentioned in the university's article. Bearcat (talk) 18:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've done removing unreliable sources but replaced with some verified information from Philippine Information Agency (and one from another yet source unrelated to the station). Hope this works well. Zzrocket (talk) 02:54, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about your research, Zzrocket? Prove it. AkoyIanS (talk) 03:12, 21 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - I do believe on the article about a college radio station does have a historical timeline from its beginning in 1958. They'll be celebrating its 60th anniversary this year. JayBustamante (talk) 10:54, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * A radio station's "historical timeline" is not a notability freebie that exempts it from the entirely non-negotiable "has reliable source coverage to support the article" criterion. Bearcat (talk) 15:50, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I removed the history section. This article needs improvement. Better ask anyone from legitimate newspapers or agencies first before you do so. AkoyIanS (talk) 05:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Restore redirect back to University of the Philippines Diliman (disclosure: I'm a UPD alumni) I've looked at online local major newspaper articles and it seems that at best sources that I could find are only passing mentions of the station and people who are working or has worked in said station. I don't think any of these mentions are enough to make an article out of the station. The strongest claim for the article's notability are the The KBP Golden Dove Awards nominations and the Golden Dove Award for a program but those mentions can be easily added to the main UP Diliman article. Personally speaking, the station is there to improve the skills of the College of Mass Communications students and help UP researchers promote their projects which is cool and all but that does not necessarily makes the it notable. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:01, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: That's 4 more references than you normally see with Philippine radio (or TV) stations. Personally I would like to see more, perhaps  would like to take a crack at it since he is from the Philippines and would know where to look for more references (ie: the Philippine version of the FCC to start).  Outside of that, 4 references is still enough for me to !vote keep on this AfD. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 06:06 on September 23, 2018 (UTC)


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