Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daily Talib


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Policy based input indicates there isn't sufficient coverage Star   Mississippi  01:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Daily Talib

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Lacks significant coverage with independent content. The citations added are not reliable. Fails to meet WP:NCORP Deletionlist (talk) 13:37, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: News media and Pakistan. Shellwood (talk) 14:05, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete : Fails GNG, the citations are not from reliable sources. Ankush3290 (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Daily talib is a regesterd News Papaer in Pakistan, so there is no way to delete this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsadnanhere (talk • contribs) 19:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Strongly Keep  All refrences are from Gov and verified sources, so strongly keep this article , and also the auction was mad from the new user talk the user is new regestired user and just deleting the pages without any information


 * Comment - Found 2 sources:
 * 1) Hum News
 * 2) Jounalism Pakistan

The point to consider is that it's almost impossible for a newspaper to get direct significant coverage in other rival newspapers, so notability for a newspaper should be evaluated under separate criteria. Insight 3 (talk) 07:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * STRONG KEEP This article now has 3 SOLID references. Have fixed and updated all 3 archived references – one of them is from the Government of Pakistan, Audit Bureau of Circulation. Ngrewal1 (talk) 23:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ngrewal1, The government archive link does not have the subject's name mentioned in their list. - 2409:4071:4E1A:83B7:E06:B440:CD4B:4F8E (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: I've reviewed the latest and all the other archives for the government reference link, and was not able to find the newspaper's name in the list. The other sources are not reliable, and the Hum News link looks promotional/paid. I request the admin make a decision based on facts, not the vote count. The links mentioned here are unreliable, and the facts can't be verified. The subject's website is also based on a WordPress template with random news articles from over a few months. The subject (Newspaper) claims to be having continuous publishing for over 17 years and has no reference/mentions about them on the web other than a few paid articles. - 2409:4071:4E1A:83B7:E06:B440:CD4B:4F8E (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Reply This is exactly why I tried to be THOROUGH and even gave the (Scroll down on the List for Talib (Urdu) newspaper Serial No. 741 entry). It does not say 'Daily Talib', but says 'Talib (Urdu)' newspaper. We can knit pick all we want because, for some reason, some of us are trying desperately to get this article deleted. Let us see the proof here that the references are 'paid' instead of throwing accusations around all over the place. The 'Closing Person' of this article will surely see what I am talking about. Ngrewal1 (talk) 15:48, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Correct, in Pakistan The News Paper Name is Talib , in Urdu Language it,s called , Roznama Talib , and in English Words , Called Daily Talib , as This is Daily News Paper , Itsadnanhere (talk) 20:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No Need for the Web sources, as this is not website , this is Newspaper , for news paper only one Gov Rerfrence link is enough :) Itsadnanhere (talk) 20:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The facts can't be verified from the Government link alone. The other two references are from public directories; anyone can add their listing on these sites.


 * Also, something to note: If you search about the editor and their other persons' names mentioned in the Wikipedia article on Google, you can see that digital marketeers run it, and you will find several PR articles about them, and the newspaper which they claim is owned by them.


 * Here are some of the links that I found on the web.


 * Articles about the Editor-in-Chief/Digital Marketeer


 * https://www.latestly.com/world/successful-pakistani-entrepreneur-nasir-shah-wani-urdu-live-pakistan-e-group-and-chief-editor-of-talib-tells-how-:::he-became-a-multi-millionaire-2601478.html
 * https://www.pktribune.com/nasir-shah-wani-shares-his-story-of-making-million-dollar-company-through-urdu-live-pakistan-e-group.html
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=Nasir+Shah+Wani


 * PR article about the Newspaper
 * https://theprint.in/theprint-valuead-initiative/media-group-daily-talib-goes-international-will-cater-readers-in-3-major-languages/906679/


 * I feel this might be a defunct newspaper that stopped publication long back. A few marketers from Pakistan are trying to impersonate the original brand and want to get a Wikipedia page for some benefits.


 * This is concerning and such incidents are on the rise on Wikipedia. Plus, having a newspaper alone does not indicate that it is notable.


 * Wikipedia user Itsadnanhere has created two such articles in total, out of which one got deleted in an AFD recently, please refer Burj News, and what concerns me is that 'Muhammad Iftikhar,' in the article says is the main admin, and in the infobox, it says he's the editor, the same 'Muhammad Iftikhar' was the founder of the recently deleted Burj News. I believe Itsadnanhere has COI with these subjects/individuals.


 * I request the admin to review all the points mentioned above. In the future, anyone can misuse a gov link of a defunct website/newspaper listing and claim that they run it by manipulating the web using PR/paid articles, and this alone doesn't make them notable.


 * My logical thinking is that a media outlet or a newspaper that has been operating for 17 years continuously (as the article claims) should have some form of online presence or media mentions, but here there is none. The only pieces you would find are from 2021; they are either direct PR or indirect (like Hum News).


 * Hum News and other articles about the newspaper or the persons related to it have their PR stories written in a promotional format. A similar writing style can be seen in the Hum News article, which is why I believe it might be an indirect PR article. (with no disclaimer or such) - 2409:4071:4E15:CADE:EC3D:86DD:1B2:D3D9 (talk) 23:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No need for your Attention and advise ,
 * if an admin need to see the official documents all documents are avalible for the transfering of this newspaper to the current CEO Nasir Shah Wani, the PR link you have provided you is about CEO not for the newspaper Itsadnanhere (talk) 11:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * and by the way you are an indian user, and you don,t know about the newspaper criteria in pakistan , so leave these decission on Pakistani Administrative , and Wikipedia pakistani users Itsadnanhere (talk) 11:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please be respectful here, it is a discussion, and I'm just trying to add my thoughts. We are not against you or the media outlet; people and organizations depend on the information found on Wikipedia. I'm just making sure everything is factual. And one more thing: Are you affiliated with the media outlet? Or the previous AFD article? How can you show the official documents to the Wikipedia admin? Please clarify. - 2409:4071:2084:BD46:E4C6:21FA:B73D:7F91 (talk) 15:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * if you are expert you can see the official documents on the gov website, about the newspaper certification , and documentation , unfortunately the official documents are not able to see from outside the pakistan , and i am not affiliated with the media outlet , i just know about this news paper , becase it is located in my country and city , thanks Itsadnanhere (talk) 09:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * check the gov link of this newspaper circulation
 * https://abc.gov.pk/Detail/NTZiMzk1ZTgtZDgyMS00YzdhLThmODAtNTg0MTkyNmJmODdj
 * if you are not able to access this link, try to open via proxy and use pakistan ip Itsadnanhere (talk) 09:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the same gov link we discussed in the above discussion, and the facts can't be verified from this link alone, and the name is generic. Anyway, let's now leave it all to the admin to decide. 122.171.18.15 (talk) 11:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Anyone can discuss the article, from Pakistan or elsewhere. That's how English wikipedia works. Oaktree b (talk) 13:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Insight3, in Pakistan media groups don't cover each other significantly and it's very rare. So whatever sources we have are enough for its notability. Muneebll (talk) 14:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:13, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete no RS, most are trivial mentions, the ABC is simply auditing their circulation, so is nothing more than a list. Rest are non-useful. Oaktree b (talk) 13:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep already mentioned that in Pakistan media groups don't cover each other significantily
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep already mentioned that in Pakistan media groups don't cover each other significantily  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.183.157.120 (talk) 07:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG. The subject lacks secondary & primay sources. There are no mentions about the newspaper, and It doesn't look notable. Tatupiplu'talk 08:37, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.