Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dakota Malting and Brewing Company


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Bit of a tough call here, but the argument that this simply fails the notability standards of WP:ORG is fairly convincing and not really refuted by the keep comments. The idea of a merge makes sense, but we don't seem to have the Dakota equivalent of Wisconsin breweries (even that article is basically just a list), and I don't think it's appropriate to simply merge this text into a new article on North Dakota breweries or History of breweries in North Dakota, simply because I'm not sure anyone would work on it and we could be left with this article under another name. If someone does want to work on such an article please let me know and I can retrieve the content from this article for incorporation into a broader, statewide brewery article. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 04:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Dakota Malting and Brewing Company

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Doesn't explain notability. A brewery which failed soon after starting up. Doesn't meet WP:ORG.  SilkTork  *YES! 18:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Dakota-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per A7. The page itself explains it nicely. Triplestop (talk) 21:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Any know if this company is related to the current "Dakota Brewing" company (which at first glance appears to be notable? Both appear to be located in Grand Forks, ND. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No relation. Dakota Malting and Brewing Company was in Bismark, and operated from 1961 to 1965. Dakota Brewing Company was in Grand Forks and operated from 1990 to 2002. The Cold Spring Brewery in Cold Spring, Minnesota took over the brewing of the main brand of the Grand Forks company, RoughRider. I'm not sure if it is still made. There was another Dakota Brewing Company based in Huron, South Dakota, which was around in the 1930s. These breweries are not notable enough for standalone articles, but are worth mentioning in an article on the history of beer and breweries in Dakota. I don't think they are notable enough for a mention in Beer in the United States because there are hundreds of breweries that have come and gone, and to mention these trivial local failed breweries in that article would overload it.  SilkTork  *YES! 09:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. The company was apparently the subject of a radio broadcast, according to the references. The transcript of the broadcast cites two other reliable sources, a book, History of the City of Bismarck, ND: The First 100 Years, 1872-1972, and an article in Beer Cans and Brewery Collectibles The article itself lists Beer Can Collectors of America, Newsletter, September, 1976 as a reference. I think that notability has been established.  -- Eastmain (talk) 02:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This article is not questioning if the brewery existed, it is questioning if the brewery is notable enough under Wikipedia criteria to have a standalone article. The relevant criteria for an organisation such as a brewery is WP:Org and the Beer WikiProject guideline WP:Breweries. This reference is to a library stating they hold the records of the company. That simply proves the company once existed. The records themselves will be useful for providing detail, but under our guidelines such primary sources are not used for consideration for notability. This ref is more interesting. The source, Prairie Public Radio, is good, and it deals with the topic in some detail. However, it is a local radio station, and the topic would be of interest to local people. I don't see how it establishes notability beyond local interest. See WP:Org - "The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of attention by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability." As I suggested above - I feel the best place for this material is in an article on beer and breweries in Dakota.  SilkTork  *YES! 09:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 00:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Evidently notable. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Merge I see no reason yet to think it notable in the Wikipedia  sense. I suggest following Silk Torq's advice and merging into a state article. if there is none yet, this can be the start.     DGG (talk) 03:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


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