Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dakota Skye (actress)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. While I think that by now the community mostly agrees that porn awards and nominations are a very questionable basis for notability, there are valid arguments being made here that the non-porn media coverage of her death indicates notability.  Sandstein  11:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Dakota Skye (actress)
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Fails GNG Chief Minister      (Talk)   09:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.   Chief Minister      (Talk)   09:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. The reasons at Articles for deletion/Kota Sky (same person apparently) still apply. Fram (talk) 09:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:GNG, coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Note that Articles for deletion/Kota Sky was in 2015, while all the sources are from after 2015. SportsOlympic (talk) 09:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Agree with Fram above - what we have added since deletion in 2015 is that she hit her boyfriend and apparently has died (I can't verify that last bit 'cos the Emirates appears to consider the sites 'naughty'). Given that is pretty much a final act, there's little reason to justify this two-line stub will ever be anything else. Hitting people and dying are not in themselves notable - they're two of humanity's favourite things to do. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You say "there's little reason to justify this two-line stub will ever be anything else" have you take a look at the other pages, for instande fy:Dakota Skye (pornografysk aktrise). Besides of that, coverage in multiple sources is enough for meeting WP:GNG :) SportsOlympic (talk) 12:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Not a single citation or reference in the whole thing, I notes... (though I must say, she had nice clavicles) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:44, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - same rationale as original deletion, does not meet notability criteria. BTW,  - over here in the States, that site apparently isn't naughty enough, and she has unfortunately died.  Although the current article incorrectly states the cause of death as Covid, which is nowhere mentioned in the source.  Onel 5969  TT me 22:48, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Alexandermcnabb. 2001:569:74D2:A800:2C14:A264:D5CB:C098 (talk) 23:23, 11 June 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:74D2:A800:2C14:A264:D5CB:C098 (talk)
 * Keep per SportsOlympic. Meets WP:GNG and has several resources available. --Kirito (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Tabloid coverage for slapping her boyfriend. Later on, she died. If that is all one can summarize about a person's life, then no, insufficiently notable to justify an encyclopedic biography. Zaathras (talk) 03:31, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG and the lack of content in the article proves such. Nominations are a dime a dozen. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  04:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The article may not have many sources right now (4 reliable, 3 of which say mostly the same thing), but just putting "dakota skye" into Google News shows quite a lot of results, though I don't know of their editorial oversight, nor how reliable they are. IMDB is of course WP:USERGENERATED, and should not be used as a reference, but beyond that, this article can possibly be salvaged with a bit of reworking and extra citations. Orcaguy | Write me | Mon œuvre 11:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You can't just vaguely wave a hand at google hits (which are not at all an indicator of notability), declare "there may be some usable stuff out there somewheres!", and call for keeping the article. If you think there's usable, valid sources, then put in the legwork and attempt to improve the article. Otherwise this "vote" has no merit. Zaathras (talk) 14:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * And that's why I gave it a tentative weak keep; I could very well have given it a weak delete as well. I'm not using my comment as a vote, but to provide another perspective for either other editors or the closer. If time allowed for it, I would gladly improve the article, but right now I unfortunately have none. Of course, as the article stands now, I don't think it meets BIO, but multiple reliable sources do seem to exist, and yes I am using vague language here, as I do believe the article has the possibility to be rescued considering the amount of sources available, but I have not yet ascertained whether or not any of it is useful. If you have anything else to add surrounding this, then I suggest leaving it on my talk page instead. Orcaguy | Write me | Mon œuvre 16:25, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Then you should have just made it a comment and not a vote. And as this is a discussion pertaining to the deletion discission, no, it will remain here, not your talk page. Zaathras (talk) 02:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep She happened to be a legit famous and successful actress, even though she appeared mostly in pornographic films and videos and also, she was a very public person. Maybe this article doesn't have many reliable sources, but you can look for some reliable sources. They are out there. You simply have to know where to look for them. Frschoonover (talk) 01:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Another vague handwave at maybe real, potentially imaginary "sources out there". Zaathras (talk) 02:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per SportsOlympic. Meets WP:GNG and has several sources cited. 2600:1700:EBD0:D910:C4D3:A7AB:699B:BE88 (talk) 02:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC) — 2600:1700:EBD0:D910:C4D3:A7AB:699B:BE88 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Too lazy to log in. Evb-wiki (talk) 03:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So you claim 2600:1700:EBD0 as yours, coming off a near-4-year hiatus. Interesting. Zaathras (talk) 12:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Good faith much? Why are you so militant? Evb-wiki (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Tada. 2600:1700:EBD0:D910:8DA4:88EC:A0E3:4773 (talk) 13:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Per SportsOlympic. Meets WP:GNG. 45.144.113.208 (talk) 08:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC — Preceding unsigned comment added by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/45.144.113.208 (talk) — 45.144.113.208 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment Rather interesting influx of IP editors and a long-dormant accounts showing up. Off-site meatpuppetry should be taken into consideration by the admins that close this down the road. Zaathras (talk) 12:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The nomination is for failing under the General notability guideline. All of the sources present are independent of the topic, "[address] the topic directly and in detail", and at least 2/3 are plainly reliable.  Now, four of the sources are circling around the subject's death, and the other two are about a single arrest for domestic battery; that's not a great breadth of coverage, but the guideline doesn't address that, only mentioning quantity.  Is six sources (covering two events) enough?  I've seen worse.It feels like there might be more reliable content about the subject out there, but perhaps in circles and media with which I'm unfamiliar.  I'm also curious about the LA coroner not releasing cause and manner of death pending an investigation, and if that turned into more, I'd hate to recreate the article; but that could also just be a red herring&mdash;it's just a feeling.  I lean weakly towards keeping the article for the time being: it's not so patently wrong to keep it, and this would allow time to (a) find more sources if they're out there, and (b) resolve anything arising from her recent death.  —   Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124; 15:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment For all the prattling about how There's Good Sources Out There, the scant content in the article is still 95% about her legal troubles and the citations therein are after she died. Next to nothing about her work. If she was "legit famous", the article would reflect this instead of being a stub that's little more than a police blotter. Still fails GNG. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  17:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment There are these interviews from around 2014/15 (NSFW warning...), , . Don't know if they count as WP:RS, but if so, then keep.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:21, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a heads-up: at the reliable-source noticeboard said these aren't suitably reliable for use.  —   Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124; 20:17, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment "Is fleshbot.com a RS?" is something I personally need to see debated at the RS noticeboard. Sadly, I can't access any of those three in-depth analyses so thoughtfully provided by Lugnuts but I trust others will enjoy the read and judge them on their undoubted merits... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Article is notable, has several reliable sources also. There are few errors that can be fixed, could be briefed more.Aloolkaparatha (talk) 07:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG. Article has been expanded since nomination. 172.58.107.125 (talk) 08:20, 14 June 2021 (UTC) — 172.58.107.125 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete The sourcing is not good enough to pass the GNG in my opinion. Stuff like interviews (not done by a RS and without any commentary by the interviewer/writer), arrests, scandals and publicity stunts aren't good examples proving notability. When a porn star dies, and it's reported soon after it happens, some of the mainstream press will generally report on it. Those undoubtedly get lots of views. As pointed out by other voters above, there's really no decent coverage pertaining to her life or career or any RS suggesting she was notable in her field. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 16:53, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete : Per GoldenAgeFan1. She generated some minor scandals and seems to have only been noteworthy to the larger media for that alone, and her death. Nearly nothing notable about her work. ExRat (talk) 18:28, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources in the article seem sufficient to me to pass WP:GNG. -- Jayron 32 13:11, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Jayron32. 172.58.107.149 (talk) 08:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC) — 172.58.107.149 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment Nearly a week into this AfD and there is still no evidence in her article asserting her notability, despite all the IPs trying to stuff the ballot box in her favor. She's known for exactly two things: assaulting her boyfriend and flashing her hooters in front of a George Floyd mural. Her work history in the article consists of nothing but a long list of companies she's worked for (run of the mill for any porn star). Three sources cited are tabloids, one is a sex-industry site (XBIZ), and another is Yahoo, while Koimoi itself is not a viable source. All share the same recycled information about her death and arrest while each being cited in the article an excessive amount of times. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  23:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Your arguments sound like WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Obviously many editors and administrators like Jayron32 think the sources in the article are sufficient enough to pass WP:GNG. 172.58.107.149 (talk) 04:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC) — 172.58.107.149 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Peter303x (talk) 00:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep She was an internationally renowned actress. Look on the German page (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Skye). Compagnon314 (talk) 07:32, 19 June 2021 (UTC) — Compagnon314 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment The German page adds no more reliable sources or information, although the list given of her award nominations makes fascinating reading. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:37, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Keep Appears to barely pass GNG. When in doubt, keep. She suffers from journalistic puritanism. A juvenile Disney actress with 300 skits would have more "mainstream RS". The sources covering Ms Skye aren't deemed mainstream RS because of their subject matter. Wikipedia doesn't need to reflect that puritanism. Edited Her death was covered by the Toronto Sun and Fox. That's mainstream enough for me. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 03:44, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:NACTOR. Aside from obituaries and assaulting her boyfriend, I found no reliable secondary biographical sources to support notability.  A search for sources using a pre-death date brought back only this primary source interview. There have been a few discussions about whether obituaries alone can support notability, but no consensus.  See Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)/Archive 2018 and Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)/Archive 2012. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:47, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, based at least upon her nominations for the XBIZ Awards and AVN Awards . I note a few interviews, e.g. Adult DVD Talk, XCritic and, although it's hard for me to assess whether they meet the requirements of WP:RS. I'm mindful that, given the area of Skye's work, interviews are not likely to be in the more mainstream reporting areas, but, relative to others in her field, she appears to have gained notability as Wikipedia understand the term. TJRC (talk) 19:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep, per reasons given by Jayron32 and SchmuckyTheCat.-- Surv1v4l1st ▌Talk 23:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe the numerous articles on her death demonstrate her notability. There is an additional obituary from the Atlanta Journal Constitution: Thriley (talk) 19:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep There are enough articles now to barely justify notability, and the main thing that convinced me was a |Fox News article


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