Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dale Hibbert


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to The Smiths. Spartaz Humbug! 03:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Dale Hibbert

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WP:BLP1E. Was a briefly a member of The Smiths, but otherwise not notable. Also WP:BLPNAME concerns. Shirt58 (talk) 09:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 17:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Cirt (talk) 18:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Minor, but The Smiths are so big that even a brief association warrants coverage. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "I say no, you say yes, but you will change your mind." xxx --Shirt58 (talk) 14:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Second that (so Keep), he was part of the initial line-up and even a footnote in the story of The Smiths warrants mention. Curt Woyte (talk) 10:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I really do want to keep every little bit of Smithography, but I would argue this article does not meet WP:GNG, or in the alternative, does not meet WP:William, It Was Really Nothing--Shirt58 (talk) 11:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep, one thing that hasnt been mentioned is that on the first demo, He played the bass, the basslines were then used subsequently on the album, so it should be argued that he co-wrote at least 2 of the songs. Their first gig, 4 songs were played, it's not known if the other 2 songs basslines remained the same —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.195.232.29 (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Did he write the bass lines or just use them?Slatersteven (talk) 16:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Smiths. Plausible search term but seems to fail WP:MUSIC. Alzarian16 (talk) 15:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Would that be to delete everything and redirect to The Smiths (a redirect which would then tell readers nothing about Dale Hibbert), or else to merge and redirect, bloating an already sizable article with content on bandmembers of arguable notability? Neither of these sound like an improvement. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In practice, a redirect is preferable to a merge, because the history of the redirected article (including the text of prior versions) survives, out of which some can be merged later-- much in the same way that material deleted from an article continues to be accessible through its history. From the point of view of an admin, deletes are easy; redirects are easy; keeps require slightly more work; merges are a pain in the ass, which is why that's a very infrequent outcome on AfD.  Generally, when people advocate redirect, they don't mean a complete obliteration of the history.  If all that would be left would be a search term, that's already accomplished by typing "dale hibbert" into the search engine.  Mandsford 02:38, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 14:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: This a minor very brief member of the Smiths, but the Smiths are one of the most notable english bands of all time.  This is content where wikipedia blows every other reference encyclopedia out of the water.--Milowent • talkblp-r  06:18, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Redirect to The Smiths. Someone is not notable by association. The fact he was both minot and brief does not make him a notabvle member of the band, he is only a foot note in thier history.Slatersteven (talk) 14:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notability slightly comparable to Pete Best. However, article could be bolstered by other cites. --Quartermaster (talk) 14:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * One rather big differance. Mr Hibvert appears to have only played in their debute gig, Mr Best was with the bettles for two years. We also have only one source lisintg Mr Hibbert, thus it does not appear that he has achived any notability, on the other hand Mr Bests association with the Bettles has been very widely reported.Slatersteven (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that comparison to Best was a pretty lame Homer Simpsony Doh! stretch. Doing research on him, it is difficult to come up with much. However, I did find (and included in the article) a little more exposition on the guy in the Encyclopedia of Popular Music (2006, 4th ed., page 570 in the article "Smiths":


 * "By the summer of 1982, the duo decided to form a group and recorded demos with drummer Simon Wolstencroft and recording engineer Dale Hibbert." . . . "By the end of 1982, the band had appointed a permanent bass player."


 * Changed to Delete the article and Redirect to Smiths after extensive searching (BGMI, Lexis-Nexis Academic, Google Books). I'm leaning more towards your point of view, that this is the ONLY thing Hibbert is notable for. Almost a footnote of a footnote. I'm going to go to the Smiths article where Hibbert is mentioned and use the above cite in that article (verifiable info where appropriate). --Quartermaster (talk) 14:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect to The Smiths. This can be merged without significantly impacting on the band article, and this detail on their early history belongs in that article.--Michig (talk) 19:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to his band, no independent notability (anyone can merge what they feel is appropriate). there is no need to delete this article to create a redirect and since there is sourced content that can be merged a deletion should not happen. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:35, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.