Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dalit Film and Cultural Festival


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Although the !delete voters had the numerical strength, I find the policy argument strength lying with the !keep voters. WP:LASTING specifically says "It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable." Using WP:LASTING as the only argument to delete suggest that the !voters are unfamiliar with what that section of the Notability guidelines actually says. v/r - TP 13:47, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Dalit Film and Cultural Festival

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Fails WP:EVENT and WP:GNG. Coverage is trivial and made by partisan sources for promoting an agenda. Nothing significant or notable has been proven. WalkingDisks (talk) 15:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. WalkingDisks (talk) 15:20, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes WP:GNG e.g. 1, 2, 3.Pontificalibus 17:19, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:21, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING. A one-off event from New York is all we have for proving notability.  Bharatiya  29  19:23, 3 January 2020 (UTC
 * Keep passes WP:GNG and WP:EVENT. The first Dalit Film and Cultural festival will be held at Columbia University New York.There is significant coverage in reliable sources in clearly independent leading newspapers including The Times of India ,New Indian Express ,The Hindu  even without going into the regional Indian language newspapers in depth through could find coverage in the leading Bengali language newspaper  Anandabazar Patrika , Marathi language newspapers like Lokmat and few others. I strongly that disagree that all of them are  promoting an agenda and most of them have been considered reliable  sources for years  and see no major issue in the RSN board to be considered otherwise or to be considered partisan.
 * The Times of India US to host its first Dalit film and cultural festival in Columbia Varsity
 * The Times of India Filmmaker Nagdeve wins director’s award at Dalit film fest in New York
 * The New Indian Express Dalit Film and Cultural Festival: Celebrating Dalit cinema in New York
 * News 18 First Dalit Film Festival in US Shortlists Kaala and Masaan Among Other Films by Dalit Filmmakers
 * The Hindu Pa. Ranjith to be part of Dalit film festival in U.S.
 * The News Minute DALIFF: A film and cultural festival celebrating Dalit art, life and Pride
 * The News Minute 'Kaala', 'Pariyerum Perumal' in first ever Dalit Film and Cultural Fest in New York
 * India Abroad Inaugural Dalit Film and Cultural Festival to be held in New York
 * The Wire Dalit Film and Cultural Festival to Be Held in New York City
 * Newslaundry 'Dalit Film Festival is not just a festival, it's a movement.
 * Scroll Pariyerum Perumal’, ‘Masaan’ and ‘Kaala’ to be screened at New York’s first Dalit Film Festival
 * Silver Screen Pa Ranjith Among Three Filmmakers Who Win At The Dalit Film Festival In New York
 * Anandabazar Patrika in Bengali language প্রথমবারের জন্য অনুষ্ঠিত হচ্ছে দলিত ফিল্ম ফেস্টিভ্যাল
 * Lokmat in Marathi language दलित कलावंतांचा अमेरिकेत होणार जागर!, २३-२४ फेब्रुवारीला पहिला दलित चित्रपट महोत्सव
 * Maharashtra Times in Marathi language Dalit Film Festival: दलित कलावंताचा झंझावात अमेरिकेत; पहिला दलित चित्रपट महोत्सव रंगणार
 * Dinamalar in Tamil language தலித் திரைப்பட விழாவில் காலா, பரியேறும் பெருமாள்
 * Asianet News in Tamil language  ரஜினி படத்திற்கு சாதிய முலாம்... தலித் லிஸ்டில் சேர்த்து சரவெடி கொளுத்தும் இயக்குநர் பா.ரஞ்சித்.....
 * Varthabharathi in Kannada language ಅಮೆರಿಕದಲ್ಲಿ ದಲಿತ ಚಿತ್ರೋತ್ಸವ
 * Hollywood Reporter states the first Dalit Film Festival victoriously unspooled in New York.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:53, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * But these links are discussing only 1 event. WP:LASTING (as mentioned above) simply requires more. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 21:53, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment:: This is a Film festival  and the this one was held only in Feb 2019 that is less than a year.No major film festival is held twice within the same year.Hence do not agree WP:LASTING or one off applies for a Film festival within a year.If the event was held say 5 years ago it may be arguable but it was held less than a year ago that in Feb 2019.Further sorry to say disagree with the nom coverage is clearly not trivial and national newspapers are not partisan sources,  Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * But I agree that the coverage is made by 'trivial and partisan' sources since the event took place in the US and yet there is not a single American source (NBC, CBS, CNN, etc.) which would provide coverage, but the Indian media which is obviously biased towards this particular subject and just plagiarise/rewrite the single report which was sent to each of them probably via email by the distributor. Should Wikipedia be allowed to promote this event until it meets WP:LASTING? Definitely not. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 02:58, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:09, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep has multiple reliable sources coverage in India and The Wire is US rs coverage, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * TheWire.in is an Indian blog, not an American source. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 15:18, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per my comments above. Subject is known for single event that took place in the US failed to attract any American WP:RS but was published around same days on a few like-minded Indian online sources. Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:LASTING. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 15:22, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG.Cinelover (talk) 02:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Cinelover But how? WalkingDisks (talk) 09:41, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:43, 10 January 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Fails WP:LASTING. --RaviC (talk) 01:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete One-off event as mentioned above. Should wait till it meets WP:LASTING. Accesscrawl (talk) 13:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As per Times of India, News 18 ,Hollywood Reporter clearly state that this is the "First" Dalit Film festival as far as I can see no one has said that another festival will not take place and this is a film festival was that is less than a year and hence .No major film festival is held twice within the same year.Clearly pass WP:GNG and disagree that WP:LASTING applies here at this point and it is too early to say a one off event.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete As said above, this subject depends completely on a single event and has failed to attract purely independent sources thus fails WP:GNG and WP:LASTING. Orientls (talk) 11:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete No coverage in newspapers of record, seems to be a lot of churnalism being claimed as RS. Might well in future be a significant event, but WP:TOOSOON to tell. --Goldsztajn (talk) 16:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The Times of India (1838) and The Hindu (1878) are the only two Indian newspapers considered as  Newspaper of Record  are clearly listed above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment NB three pieces do not constitute *significant* coverage (WP:DIVERSE). The Hindu piece focuses on the films presented - which might be useful to justify the notability of those films and film makers, but not for the event itself.  The ToI pieces are mostly the same - one does elaborate more specifically about the festival.  So essentially one piece in a newspaper of record in India, none in the US or elsewhere....and a mountain of WP:PROMO material and churnalism. --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment In addition to The Times of India there is coverage other WP:RS sources like The New Indian Express and regional language coverage from the Anandabazar Patrika,Lokmat ,Maharashtra Times amongst others .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


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