Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dallas Blaze


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy delete as a wholly unsourced highly contentious and potentially libellous biographical article under the Biographies of living persons policy. I first looked for sources myself, to reduce the article to a well-sourced stub, but like the nominator I could find nothing at all under either the name given in the article title or in the purported "real" name given in the article body. (There's another person with a highly similar name, in a different profession, but that's simply ancillary grounds for getting rid of this pronto, lest that other person find people erroneously branding him as a porn star based upon a bad Wikipedia article.) Speedy deletion does not preclude a new article being created, but per the Biographies of living persons it must have supporting sources for any content such as this. I encourage JulesH to learn from Wikipedia history, in addition to putting xyrself in the subject's shoes. Mandsford already addresses the "What if it's not true?" situation, encouraging the doubters to step into the subject's shoes. This content, if this person is not what the article states, is a canonical example of what the BLP policy was created in order to prevent. But even on the presumption that this is a porn star, history and experience teaches us that we don't do this. We've had several articles that "outed" porn stars in this very way that have caused problems. Jordan Capri was most distressed at being outed by Wikipedia, and came to complain in person at Articles for deletion/Jordan Capri (noticeboard incident report). Other problematic "outings" that we've had to deal with include, Tawnee Stone (noticeboard incident report), and Brandy Alexandre (who also came to complain in person). See also Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Ongoing BLP concerns. Leaving the discussion of sourced real names and personal information aside, it is wholly unacceptable to write unsourced content of this nature in Wikipedia. A proper, reliably sourced, article is not excluded, but this article is not that, and there's no reason to retain this information in an edit history pending sourcing, and every reason not to, given the problems that we've had in the past. Once again: speedy deletion does not preclude the proper creation of a biography that adheres to our policies. But this is not it, nor the foundation for it. Uncle G (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Dallas Blaze

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Appears to be a WP:HOAX. (I have courtesy blanked the page to protect some real names, but the article can be seen in the history). A well-known porn star without any internet pages? Not a chance! Not associated with Mary Carey as claimed. Not a Dodger draftee as claimed. This could probably by G10 speedied as an attack page. — Cactus Writer |   needles  13:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.   — —  Cactus Writer |   needles  13:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   — —  Cactus Writer |   needles  13:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - it's either a hoax, an attack, or wishful thinking. Wildhartlivie (talk) 13:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. I see nothing speediable here. It's an article about a person with a claim to notability.  It appears that that claim is untrue, but being inaccurate is not in WP:CSD.  I don't really understand how this could be considered an "attack" page, as it says nothing negative about anybody. JulesH (talk) 15:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Think about it for a moment. If someone were to use your name in an article, and, with no proof whatsoever, to describe you as an actor in pornographic films, wouldn't you consider that to be negative?  The author of this article has made no other contributions, yet he or she has made apparently false statements about another person, giving his "real name", the names of his parents and siblings, his date and place of birth, etc.  This is the type of practical joke that would lead to a lawsuit.  Mandsford (talk) 17:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.