Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dallas Jazz Orchestra


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ✗ plicit  06:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Dallas Jazz Orchestra

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Unsourced for 5 years. A BEFORE did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to meet GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 01:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Texas. AllyD (talk) 06:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes criteria 8 of WP:BAND as a two time Grammy Award nominee. I added a ref to verify one of those nominations. Additionally, google books appears to have some coverage. I would imagine Dallas's newspapers would have coverage of the band in reviews, and those would be accessible to someone with subscription access. 4meter4 (talk) 00:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - Can't find anything in the Grammy database which shows they were nominated. See this. Onel 5969  TT me 01:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  03:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:34, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find anything to verify the Grammy nominations. In addition to the search metnioned by onel5969 above, I don't see this band mentioned in any of the Wikipedia articles listing the nominees in each Grammy jazz category (for example, Grammy Award for Best Large Jazz Ensemble Album; I checked all the other jazz category articles, too). The article claims that they received a Grammy nomination in 1996 for a 1994 album, which is possible because the eligibility year ran from Oct. 1, 1994 to Sept. 30, 1995. But I found the list of all the Grammy nominees in Billboard magazine (Jan. 13 and 20, 1996), and the only "Dallas" nominated for anything that year was songwriter/producer Dallas Austin. The source cited for the 1996 Grammy nomination is an obituary, published five years after the fact, in a different country; it's possible that this was an error or misunderstanding on the part of the writer. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm going to change my recommendation to neutral in recognition of the fact that the article has been improved since this AfD began. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * KEEP. Added citations to support notability. There are dozens of articles mentioning DJO in ProQuest and NewsPapaers.com.  Although the New York Times was a passing mention, the journalist includes the DJO among highlighted, notable artists, Benny Carter and Flip Phillips, Joe Williams and his Quartet, the Louie Bellson Quartet, Doc Cheatham.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kleebis007 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - while there has been lots of work done on the article, of all the new sources, only one in-depth piece from a reliable source has been added, the one from the Wichita Eagle. Onel 5969  TT me 10:47, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep in light of expansion and sources added which firmly establish notability per WP:GNG of this non-profit organization. Every single participant in this AfD discussion contributed important insight. Nominator was correct that the article was completely unsourced for too long – which meant it had inherent copvio problems and quality issues – and it was indeed very difficult to sort through numerous article mentions and concert listings, etc., to find the in-depth coverage. 4meter4 was correct that key pieces of coverage turned out to be only accessible to those with subscriber access to certain Texas publications. As both Onel5969 and Metropolitan90 flagged, the Grammy Award nomination was unverifiable and is probably untrue; this is now noted in the Notes section of the article. Kleebis007 managed to find what is actually the most comprehensive, in-depth coverage in the history of the Dallas Jazz Orchestra (which turned out to be paywalled). Anyway, in order of importance, the key pieces of SIGCOV are as follows: the 1998 Dallas Morning News article, "Passion for jazz burns bright as orchestra begins 25th year" (paywalled; link is to abstract on ProQuest); the 2009 article in The Wichita Eagle; the 1976 album review including some band history in D Magazine; and the 1996 Abilene Reporter-News article on Dr. Jazz, which includes several paragraphs about his involvement in the DJO. There are several other sources cited within the article which contribute to notability as well. Kudos to all. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * KEEP in view of the almost complete re-write of the article since this AfD was started. Sources that nail down SIGCOV were located behind paywalls and added. Joyous! | Talk 17:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:BAND and improved/updated sourcing, meets WP:GNG. In addition to The Wichita Eagle, The Dallas Morning News and Galveston Daily News sources both also seem to be reliable and in-depth coverage of the organization. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 00:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.