Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damed Imanov


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Notability seems to hinge for keep voters on his fame and his being a recipient of the Taraggi medal. The claim of fame has not been substantiated by sources and editors favoring delete suggest that the Taraggi medal is too common to convey notability. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Damed Imanov

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Notability is under question. Doesn't meet criterias of WP:BLP Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 06:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 06:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Damed Imanov's article meets this criterion

He led the fleet of such a large company as SOCAR, and this in itself proves that he is an important person.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 18:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times.
 * 2) The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 07:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Is the progress medal really a medal that confers notability on its recipients? What was Imanov's "widely recognized contributions that is part of the enduring historical record in a spefific field" and what are the sources that show this accomplishment is widely recognized?John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * the Progress or Taraggi is the most common medal in Azerbaijan. Thounsands of people are awarded with that. Here are some orders of President about awarding the aforementioned medal starting from February 22nd:  . It means nearly 50 people are awarded within the last 30 days. --Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 18:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That would indicate to me that being given the medal is not at all a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I am still scratching my head trying to figure out what his widely recognized contribution was. Just looking at who has received the progress medal, I see no evidence that receiving it is such a widely recognized mark of merit that people become notable for that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep He is a famous ship captain, awarded a medal for his contribution to the development of maritime transport in Azerbaijan.
 * Also Damed Imanov was awarded more than 20 honourary rewards. In 2010, he was awarded honourary diploma “Inam” upon the order of Trade Union of Media Workers Presidium. For his further achievements he was honoured an international award of Ukraine and Russia – 1 degree order of “Cossack glory”. On the 90th anniversary of the Great Leader Heydar Aliyev, the “Dede Gorgud” International Foundation honoured Damed Imanov with the national reward of “In the name of peace on earth”.

He was awarded the Medal "For services in the shipping industry" by the Order of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan and its this proves that HE made a wide contribution to the ship industry.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I reviewed and passed this article at New Page Patrol, and the author User:Elshad_Iman_(El%C5%9Fad_%C4%B0man) has invited me to participate here. I noted some uncertainty at the time of review, and the need to translate and read the sources.  I’ll try that later. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep . Reference 2 meets the GNG, I think. The publication seems OK.  It is a happy birthday article, featuring a notable person not connected to the publication, and it contains significant commentary on the subject.  The other references do not, but do substantiate a series of awards that he has won.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. az:Daməd_İmanov has been deleted three times, and is currently deleted.  There appears to be irregularities with the article history and deletion discussion.  Sort it out on the native language Wikipedia before attempting re-creation here.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per above. Notable in the Azerbaijani context, with significant national awards. — Sago tree spirit  (talk) 05:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete For me, it all hinges on the Taraggi medal. Based on what I have seen, it is not significant enough to automatically grant notability, but I am happy to reconsider if further evidence is provided. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 00:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC) Keep As per SmokeyJoe. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv  Talk, Remember to "ping" me 03:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear colleagues, , thank you for your reasonable and important comments during the discussion, what other additions can you write under the new paragraph? Please follow the advice of our respected wikipedist to reach a consensus. / Although I said this, I will clarify my opinion again and share it with you - the article meets wikipedia criteria, as the captain was a senior fleet commander in SOCAR and served as fleet chief for seven years.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 09:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * So you pinged only the people who had voted "keep" at the time. Smells like WP:CANVASSING to me. 1292simon (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

In this case, we see that there is a clear advantage in voting on this decision, and the arguments of Wikipedists justify the preservation of the article. Let the decision be made by the Wikipedia community, and not on a personal basis! Strong keep--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 16:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong delete the medals are not notable at all. The Taraggi medal is the most common medal in Azerbaijan. It's awarded to even high school teachers. Thounsands of people are awarded with that. I don't consider ens.az as a reliable source. As an Azerbaijani it's the first time i come across the site. If he was famous and notable, internet links and other information would be more abundant., , , please take a look at these links:  . Nearly 50 people are awarded within a few weeks. The medal is not notable at all. We've deleted this page on Azerbaijani Wikipedia twice, and keep deleting  other persons whose only notability criteria is receiving Taraggi. If it doesn't pass azwikis notability criterias, then no way it should stay on English Wikipedia. Cheers! --Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 13:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Wikipedia article of Damed Imanov in the Azerbaijani section ✅, it is clear that the first final decision was incorrect (deleted), another administrator decided to keep the article and noted that he was an encyclopedic person. It is wrong to delete an article without a conclusion. Then I think that the decision was unjustified because it was deleted on a personal basis without discussion. It should be noted that the principles of Wikipedia should not prevail over friendship and acquaintance. Voting for article deletion should be based on discussion.
 * That's not my personal war with you, i'm just being totally unbiased and i respect you. Just check my contributions on both wikis, i only create articles about culture and try to be as neutral as possible. The article on azwiki is deleted - three times. Cekli829 violated the rules and changed the result of the discussion: Click here and here. No wonder why he is not an administrator anymore. Straightforward: The medal is not encyclopedic - even my father is awarded with that. Just because people from other countries have difficulties to fathom the importance of medals of foreign states, you shouldn't make use of it. Just because Damed Imanov is your close relative (Iman - Imanov) it doesn't mean he should have an article on Wikipedia. Let's be more active on other topic and contribute to Wikipedia, and not make it a website of/for friends. Thanks! --Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 18:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Has the biography been deleted at az.wikipedia.org? As above I found one ok weak source.  I think we should defer to the decision at the native language Wikipedia, but I can’t find the article or log.  Am I looking in the wrong language? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I have changed my vote above to Delete. Here's what I could find about the deletion on az.wikipedia.org: Jan 2019 AfD, July 2019-Elshad Iman's Talk page, July 2019- NMW03's Talk page (admin who closed the AfD as Delete), March 2020 AfD. Copying and pasting into Google Translate shows it to be a murky rabbit-hole. Some of the characters are familiar though... regarding this comment from the AfD admin (quote via Google Translate) I remember that when I researched the people involved in the discussion, I found out that Elshad Iman, Bashir Imanov and NapKins were connected. Elshad Iman wrote on his page that he is the granddaughter of Bashir Imanov's sister. Therefore, I have a question for : do you have a COI that should be disclosed here? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 00:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * the situation is complicated indeed, but i can clarify. The article was first deleted by Eminn and he closed the AfD as Delete. Then, a few days later, Cekli829 came back and changed the decision for no reason. It was against the rules so Eminn redeleted it. I don't know whether there were personal ties between and Cekli829, but it is what it is. After a few weeks Cekli was dismissed from administrators list by Meta-Wiki for abusing admin rights. As a result, the article was deleted by NMW03, because Cekli was not an impediment anymore. And recently Elshad Iman applied to restore the page here. Some other details are not related to the article. My point is that, the medals Damed İmanov received don't make him be notable. For instance this list shows a certain fraction of official state medal and awards. As you can see there are orders which are on the top line. They are more important. There are tens of medals of Azerbaijan and they are awarded to thousands of people by President of Azerbaijan. Obviously, the list are announced on the official website of the President. He doesn't officially hand the awards, except for most important 3-4 orders. For instance in these lists, you can see how many people are awarded with Taraggi:  . The section "“Tərəqqi” medalı ilə" shows the list - almost 80 people within two decrees. And the complete list of recipients goes beyond that (maybe thousands). His second award is nothing special either - it's a medal, not an order in the end. Due to the fact that this medal is recently-established and only given to sailors, it's less awarded. A large portion of sailors and even civil servants receive at least one or two medals during their service in Azerbaijan. --Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 08:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I remember that there was a conflict of interest among the managers who even wrote that I was the same person as the manager of Cekli829, but this is not true (what is written in the discussion of the article is similar to this baseless claim).
 * Comment Dear colleague, the person is not only awarded the medal of progress, the person has twice been awarded by the President of the Republic, for example, the article refers to the official page of the President.

I think that this article should not cause us to oppose it because it is scandalous. My personal opinion is not the main one, but I applied for restoration in the Azerbaijan section based on encyclopedic criteria. For example, this article is exactly the same as Damed Imanov's article. This person has been awarded the Progress Award and has other achievements. Thanks! --Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 03:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * the person has a honorary title of "Honored Engineer of Azerbaijan" he is considered as a notable person. --Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 08:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Now the company is one of the most promising oil companies in the world, and the prospects for socio-economic development of Azerbaijan are associated with its activities. Leaders and the most active in public activities representatives of fairly influential political and public non-political organizations are considered encyclopedic personalities.
 * Comment It is as the Azerbaijani sea captain, in this area, the head of the SOCAR marine department is significant and influential.
 * Pay attention to the article, about a person is also written in the Azerbaijani state newspaper, in the Azerbaijani book there is an article about him, several times awarded by the President of the Republic. All this gives reason to keep the article here. He is a man who has dedicated his life to shipping in Azerbaijan.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 14:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Including sections in other languages. So this is not an argument. Additionally, see WP:AADD in the words “No interwiki.”--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 14:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * (About argument) There is an interwiki in the Azerbaijani language - Wikipedia itself does not consider itself a reliable source.
 * An important criterion of Wikipedia is the detailed coverage of any subject or topic in independent and authoritative sources.

1) Independent source: about “Damed Imanov”, on the portal of the state newspaper of the Azerbaijan Caspian Shipping Company (asco.az), on the portal of the Azerbaijan encyclopedia (ens.az), in the international magazine of Azerbaijan (mir-azerbaydjana.az), on the independent socio-political published in the newspaper (vyshka) and other sites.

2) Authoritative source: About "Damed Imanov", published on the authorized and official website of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan (President.az).

The page is free of spelling errors, long monologues, unstructured material that creates the frame, information that has been translated from another language and cannot be verified, myths, lies and slander.

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· The page is unique and is not a copy of any page.

· The page is not spam, the content of the page is based on facts only.

I ask for an investigation and a consensus. Thanks!--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 13:59, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Why do you ping other admins, to help to keep the article? You did this many times and warned. Not to mention that you have been blocked several times on azwiki, one them them for suing admins for deletion. There's no need to worry about the result of the discussion, even i have an article deleted here, and abide by the decision of the community.
 * It's obvious that you can create tens of millions of biography articles based on your criterias (neutrality, correct information; so on and so forth). If they don't meet notability of Wikipedia, then they are not encyclopedic. Let's not exaggerate the discussion with overt and unhelpful information and keep room for other volunteers to contribute to the topic. Thanks! --Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's feels like Elshad Iman is trying to WP:BLUDGEON through a Keep outcome here. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 21:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know why on earth I'm being pinged here; I have nothing to do with this discussion or this topic. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 22:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete It appears that Imanov's main claim to notability is receiving a recognition that does not rise to the level of WP:BIO. Best, GPL93 (talk) 02:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep So let’s notes here is no known good reason for deletion other than a flawed subjective view of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.237.67.58 (talk) 03:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note. This user has made few or no other edits outside of this Afd. GPL93 (talk) 03:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


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