Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damned Dirty Ape


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Planet of the Apes (1968 film). Consensus for redirect - does not require separate article for this movie quote. The quote is more easily understood from the context of the film itself ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 12:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Damned Dirty Ape

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Do we really need a whole separate and unsourced article on this quote alone, rather than just a subsection in Planet of the Apes (1968 film)? Delete? Redirect? Bearcat (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, or, less preferably, redirect to Planet of the Apes (1968 film). Interestingly, the AFI 100 Quotes page has "Get your stinking paws off me," while Planet of the Apes (1968 film) gives "Take your stinking paws off me."  Anyone know for sure which is right and feel like fixing the error?   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:34, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Redirect per everybody else the majority. From this Youtube video and IMDb, it appears to be "take". This damned dirty editor has made the adjustment to the AFI article with his own stinking paws. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:11, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not quite "everyone". The article now cites 19 appearances in film and television other than Planet of the Apes (1968 film), so lets not make an example of one of the more notable, (and probably the best sourced), entries in Category:Quotes from film and television. Its fun and that's a scarce commodity around here.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 20:25, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You could say "Tomorrow is another day" from Gone With the Wind and "No wire hangers ever" from Mommie Dearest are arguably equally as notable probably used in other media just as frequently this line but neither line has a separate article. The "Damned Dirty Ape" line itself is not notable enough for a completely separate article outside the original film filled with nothing but trivial references to the utterance of the line within other media. Sottolacqua (talk) 20:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I count 11 each in IMDb; just under 58%. That's not including the more obscure references to damn dirty apes in film and television or any of the references in print. Movie quotes are permitted to have articles on Wikipedia. I'm sorry, but it appears your estimate of notability is rather subjective.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 22:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For Gone With the Wind, see Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn, which is top of the American Film Institute's list. We certainly do cover notable material of this sort. Colonel Warden (talk) 06:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Planet of the Apes (1968 film), since it's theoretically possible that someone might hear an old man say "damned dirty ape" and wonder what that's all about. I think that there are very few movie quotes that rate their own article, although many of these can and should be redirects.  Mandsford (talk) 12:40, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Planet of the Apes (1968 film), it's probably one of the most recognizable movie quotes, but I don't believe any movie quote deserves its own article, should always be a redirect to the movie. Mmyers1976 (talk) 13:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm adding 5 references, lots of examples and some wikilinks to the article. Creating a memorable quotes section in Planet of the Apes (1968 film) and redirecting to it would work except other instances would be out of place. LOL, I hear "Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape!" (skip directly to it)—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 16:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into Reaction section or create a "Culture significance" section of Planet of the Apes (1968 film). Sottolacqua (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The section would be preferable to an article called "Planet of the Apes in popular culture". Mandsford (talk) 19:32, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest someone close this AfD so people can edit normally or continue the discussion at Talk:Planet of the Apes (1968 film).—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 20:12, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd hate to see it closed just yet. Although the trend so far is for a redirect, it's not exactly a snowball.  There may be other editors who feel that the article should be kept, or who feel that it should be deleted.  It's only fair that the article's supporters be given an opportunity to be heard.  Mandsford (talk) 21:29, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand Bearcat and the others who voted Redirect to#Plot, Redirect or Delete meant to discard the content of the article. I would have thought deletion is no longer on the table, here, because I subsequently addressed the issues behind this AfD: the lack of sourcing and orphan–issue, (and even added more material, none of which was difficult). Thank you Clarityfiend, for working with me to improve to improve the article. "Old men" like me appreciate all the help we can get.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 02:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 02:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into the main article. I found two journal articles that refer briefly to the line (I've added details of these to the Talk page if anyone wants to do anything with them - I guess one could draw from them the info that this is the first line he says to the apes and that it's significant in the development of the relationship between the species) but it doesn't seem to me that there's enough for an article, no matter how long the list of throwaway parodies gets.  Include a redirect, of course, for both "Damned Dirty Ape" and "Damn Dirty Ape". --Zeborah (talk) 05:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Article well sourced and no longer orphaned. The number of references in other films shows this is one of film's insider references. Film buffs will appreciate this article. Short articles are possible. Stephen B Streater (talk) 05:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The line is described by numerous sources such as Guide to American cinema as a memorable or famous line and so the topic is notable. The rest is a matter of content editing, not deletion. Good work is being done finding scholarly accounts of the topic on the article's talk page and so we should follow our editing policy.  Colonel Warden (talk) 06:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the film. The mistake that Colonel Warden makes is equating mentions with notability. We gain nothing by spreading content out across articles just because there's some mention of them. Readers gain much more by having content in one place, as long as the size or subject matter of the content doesn't detract from the article. Spreading these out makes no sense when the indications of separate notability are this trivial, it just invites contradictions, unnecessary extra edits, watching, maintenance, and vandalism. I would say [and others have] the same for "Say hello to my little friend". Shadowjams (talk) 07:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The mistake you make is to suppose that there is a single redirect target. This phrase is discussed by the sources in multiple contexts - the original movie; the remake; Charlton Heston; the AFI's list; discussion of the relations between apes and man; etc.  In such cases, it makes sense to have an article which brings all these together.  This is normal encyclopaedic practise and our web structure makes this especially sensible for us.  Massive, wall-of-text articles are quite unsuitable for the smartphones which are now commonly used to access Wikipedia and so we should be deliberately structuring our content around this form factor. Colonel Warden (talk) 06:50, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge into Planet of the Apes (1968 film). Movie quotes, no matter how popular, don't need separate articles. TomCat4680 (talk) 08:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into the movie article. AniMate  03:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'd settle for a redirect, but Damn Dirty Ape isn't a proper noun. All kinds of wrong. / edg ☺ ☭ 22:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ape is a noun and so this is a perfectly normal noun phrase just like Great Ape or Barbary Ape. Colonel Warden (talk) 16:16, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The editor means it should be in sentence case: "Damned dirty ape" --Jubilee♫ clipman  05:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Shows how a catch phrase could survive and be reused through the decades following it. Wikipedia is not paper, there no reason this can't have an article of its own.   D r e a m Focus  10:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge Its not that notable (its only the 66th most memerable line, that means theresa 65 that are more memberable).Slatersteven (talk) 21:59, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * They can be added as well, if they haven't already been. Wikipedia is not paper, it never running out of space.   D r e a m Focus  14:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The debate is not whether there is space for the information. The debate relates to whether or not this film quote is notable enough to warrant an article separate from the 1968 film. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Also my point was that its come 66th, not that there would have to be 65 other pages. I was not aware that comming 66th in anything was notable. If it had been in say the top three (or if it couold be estavblished that this changed cinema) this might be different.Slatersteven (talk) 12:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Planet of the Apes (1968 film). No significant coverage. Famous does not necessarily imply notable. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Planet of the Apes. Some mention of this in reliable sources, but really not much more than a list of appearances. Adequate coverage in the main article. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - nothing more than a trivia article and I really don't see anyone purposefully searching for "Damned Dirty Ape" rather than going directly to the Planet of the Apes and finding the correct article from the list (unless they forgot where the quote came from—but even then we are not Google) --Jubilee♫ clipman  05:09, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OTOH: Here's looking at you, kid redirects and Play it again, Sam is a genuine disambiguation page. Redirect might be OK, I guess, but the title is still incorrect: it should be in sentence case  --Jubilee♫ clipman  05:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.