Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damon Giglio


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The result was   delete. As per the nom and one other, there doesn't appear to be reliable 3rd party imformation to support such a BLP, although there may be a case for an article on the company/website - please ask if you would like information userfied in order to do this. Black Kite (t) (c) 21:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Damon Giglio

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While the company this person founded may be notable (although I'm not sure), it does not appear this individual is. I have been unable to find substantial reliable sources that go beyond peripheral quotes to establish his notability. So overall appears to fail WP:GNG as this is just a rather typical business person that has not received substantial reliable source coverage as an individual that I can find. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep or rename to Forsalebyowner.com. The nom's removal of numerous things turned what was a pretty nicely developing article into a stub. Our guidelines recommend "unsourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately.", yet some things such as "Giglio has also been an activist launching and/or participating in various charitable and philanthropic efforts such as The Damon Giglio Foundation and the Functional Medicine Foundation." do not seem to be contentious. As for the sources, this at the very least proves that Giglio is an active philanthropist, and might be used to include more biographical information. If we decide to rename, this describes For Sale By Owner as "[America's] biggest commission-free real-estate bazaar", which is a pretty good claim of notability. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The first reference you suggested to establish notability as a philanthropist appears to be a primary source, not a secondary reliable source, which would be required to establish notability for such a claim.  The second source provided is not about the article subject, but about a website which he created.  But notability is WP:NOTINHERITED.  ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Damon Giglio. Damon Giglio was founder/developer of largest commission free real-estate bazaar. Not only did he found Forsalebyowner.com, he and his company fought the State Of California which had a law against online real estate companies. Several citations were used, which have been deleted from this article, from the Institute of Justice mentioning the historical importance. http://www.ij.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1311 http://www.ij.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1312 http://choice.ij.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1313&Itemid=165 I beleive these are all reliable sources. I would like to continue to make this artcle better. Thanks,AlanHoes (talk) 01:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC) — AlanHoes (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment All three of those references are on a website from a specific law firm, which appears to be affiliated with the company started by the article subject according to the first link which states, "The lead attorney in this case for the Institute for Justice is Steve Simpson." The last two of the links were press releases designed to publicize the lawsuit the company started by the article subject was involved in.  As such, these do not appear to be secondary reliable sources. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 03:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment The above citations have come from the Institute of justice law firm. They did cite quotes from the law case. I have found additional cites which state many of the same items. http://www.californiabusinesslitigation.com/2007/03/internet_free_speech_lawsuit_t.html "California consumers, a federal district court granted summary judgment this past November in favor of the Institute for Justice and its client, ForSaleByOwner.com, in its First Amendment challenge to California’s real estate licensing law. Finding the licensing requirement “wholly arbitrary,” the court ruled that the State could not require classified advertising websites such as ForSaleByOwner.com to obtain a real estate license while allowing newspaper-owned websites to operate without one." http://www.ij.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1466&Itemid=194 http://www.law.suffolk.edu/highlights/stuorgs/lawreview/documents/Prizio_Note_Final.pdf https://www.judicialview.com/Law-Articles/Intellectual-Property/Money-for-Nothing-Listings-for-Free/Constitutional-Implications-of-Subjecting-For-Sale-By-Owner-Websites-to-Real-Estate-Broker-Licensing-Statutes/32/4671 http://www.prweb.com/releases/forsalebyowner/report/prweb1157434.htm http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20030526_fsbolicense.htm — AlanHoes (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment Of these additional references you just provided only one of them even mentions Damon Giglio and it is on the lawfirm site for Institute for Justice, who was representing his company.  The mention is just in a caption of the photo.  None of the other cites mention him at all, which further suggests that he is not notable.  Perhaps his company is (although that is not clear from those citations either as the bulk of them are from the law firm representing the company, press releases, and blog posts - none of which are truly a reliable source by Wikipedia standards).  A source like  which you included from PRWeb is just a press release service, not a reliable secondary source.  ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 16:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment These cites do provide evidents of notability for Damon Giglio this ,at the very least proves that Giglio is an active philanthropist, and might be used to include more biographical information.And, this describes For Sale By Owner as "[America's] biggest commission-free real-estate bazaar", which is a pretty good claim of notability. This cite does talk about Damon Giglio. I found some other wikipedia profiles that I modeled after in with they talk about the individuals and then their companies.  See Sam Roddick on wikipedia. There is little about herself and more about Coco De Mer and Bondage for Freedom as she was the founder. Please let me know the thoughts, Thanks,AlanHoes (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC) — AlanHoes (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment The Lukeman link you provided appears to be a primary source, and as such is really original research unless you can find mention of it in a secondary reliable source. Can you find some news articles in reliable sources reporting him as an active philanthropist?  Once again the Observer article may possibly be used to establish notability for his company (although that is a separate issue), but it doesn't mention him at all, so it is not really going to establish him as notable.  Finding other articles that require better sourcing is not directly relevant (See WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS for more details).  But if you have found other articles that require additional sourcing work, or have questionable notability, please do go ahead an improve them or tag them so someone else can work on improving them. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * CommentI found addition data from the FTC about Forsalebyowner.com, but it does not mention Damon Giglio name. http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/realestatecompetition/518795-00400.pdf . But the other citations list on the main article state that he is major shareholder, and has used Forsalebyowner.com to take the real estate laws in California to court. I have added 2 paragraphs to the Damon Giglio--Early Life and Forsalebyowner.com. If Damon Giglio is the person behind Forsalebyowner.com and it states that in the citations below, does that not relate the 2 and make the person responsible, the notable one as well?. I am searching for addition articles for the philanthropy section to make it verifiable. Thanks for your suggestions and help. AlanHoes (talk) 05:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC) — AlanHoes (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 1.^ USAToday/As states interfere with Internet sales, public pays/ForSalebyOwner.com files suit Gary Weitman (22nd May, 2006). "Tribune Interactive Acquires ForSaleByOwner.com". Tribune Company. http://corporate.tribune.com/pressroom/?p=541. Retrieved 1 June 2011. 3.^ "AGC sues former client for fraud, breach of contract", Boston Business Journal, September 4, 2006.4.^ FTC (Nov 28, 2005). "a federal judge in Sacramento ruled in favor of web publisher ForSaleByOwner.com". FTC. http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/realestatecompetition/518795-00400.pdf. [[User:AlanHoes|AlanHoes] (talk) 05:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC) — AlanHoes (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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 * Comment I have researched and found several news articles that seem to be reliable sources reporting him as an active philanthropist. They include:http://www.functionalmedicine.org/support/af_donor.asp http://www.lukeman.com/projectoatmeal/donor%20spotlight.html http://turnthecorner.org/content/events-and-photos http://www.marchofdimes.com/downloads/2009AnnualReport.pdf http://www.saveellisisland.org/site/PageServer?pagename=support_honorroll http://oldsite.turnthecorner.org/sponsors.htm http://keepachildalive.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/pdf/KCA_07AR.pdf http://208.74.202.108/chapterassets/files/ThanksToOurSupporters2009.pdf http://www.mindsmatter.org/docs/ar/2010AR.pdf Thanks,AlanHoes (talk) 03:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC) — AlanHoes (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment - Thank you for researching all of these additional sources. However they all appear to be primary sources, not secondary reliable sources which are more along the lines of a secondary newspaper report, etc.  Donor lists at charities have dozens of names and amount to just primary data.  ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 14:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


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 * Delete. Notability not established - my searches didn't turn up anything approaching significant coverage in reliable 3rd party sources. Dawn Bard (talk) 00:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
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