Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damon Saito Mattinson

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Damon Saito Mattinson

 * Vandalized by User:82.45.6.170, who put a large blinking div with the words "suck my sock" that flooded the VfD page. Possible server bug because it thoroughly messes up VfD.

Allegedly a Japanese painter/small-time actor born "Saito Kagoshima" who moved to the US and changed his name. I have looked, and can find no evidence -- zip zero nada -- that this person exists. No Google hits (Web, News, Groups, or Images -- strange for a painter) and no listings on IMDB, under "Damon Saito Mattinson", "Saito Kagoshima" or his alleged great-great-grandfather "Yamamoto Kagoshima" -- and the external link leads to a freewebs text page with no live links, images, or evidence of the subject's existence. And why do both "Saito Kagoshima" and "Yamamoto Kagoshima" have two Japanese surnames and no given names? Smells like an elaborate hoax by article creator User:Suffice. --Calton | Talk 12:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Note: Also, if this is deleted, also delete Saito Kagoshima, a redirect page to this article. --Calton | Talk 05:08, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete without independent verifiability - David Gerard 19:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article does not establish notability, possible hoax. Megan1967 07:36, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete likely hoax. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 14:24, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep: I'm the creator of this article and this certainly isn't a hoax. I created the article because there is nearly no information about Saito on the internet and I don't have the time or money to create my own webpage; Wikipedia is quick and easy. Although I can't find any "proof" on the Internet, you could probably find Saito if you look in any respectable art-history book (usually under his American name, unless the book is focusing on Japanese painters). I also managed to obtain one of Saito's (less valuable) paintings when I was younger, and this is what inspired my love for him and his art -- Saito arguably impacted worldwide art style; you can't find many similar styles in today's art (long, abstract shadows coupled with slightly varied dark colours; in particular a very dark crimson and black). I ask that you please reconsider your votes, until at least asking an art scholar or some other knowledgeable person; or at least a trip to your local library. Thank you, Suffice 23:54, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Prove it. You haven't provided a single verifiable source, just a bunch of handwaving. There is nearly no information about Saito on the Internet? There's absolutely NONE, unbelievable for someone who "arguably impacted worldwide art style". No notices of gallery shows or auctions, no reviews, no obits, no biographies, no essays on his style, no examples of his work, no mention on IMDB, nothing. And, as I confirmed with a Japanese co-worker just now, neither his name or that of his alleged father make sense, since they're both made up of two surnames.
 * Provide an external source. Give me a book title (study or collection, preferably with an ISBN), magazine reference, gallery or museum displaying his work, art scholar who studies his work, title of a movie he appeared in, SOMETHING. --Calton | Talk 00:32, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unverifiable. --Michael Snow 21:03, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't show up in any of the reference books I've checked. -- Solipsist 10:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Note: The creator of this article, User:Suffice, has copied it to his User Page. Since it seems to be an outright hoax, that copy should also be deleted. --Calton | Talk 00:02, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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