Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Vascan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus for Ciprian Dinu with leave to speedy renominate. Delete the rest. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Dan Vascan

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Article about a footballer who has not played in a professional league (Romanian Liga II is not) and thus fails WP:ATHLETE as well as WP:GNG Black Kite (t) (c) 23:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Also nominating the following six identical articles
 * removing per below Black Kite (t) (c) 06:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom. Having never played in a fully pro leauge and not having received significant coverage, the subject fails both relevant notability guidelines. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete the six newely nomminated articles as well per the same rationale. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:21, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Zero GNews hits. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:34, 5 October 2011 (UTC).
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 17:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note - the two comments above were made prior to nommination of the six additional articles. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:23, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all the others listed, too. All fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Such web hits as I found were all WP:ROUTINE player directories and side mentions in articles about games or their teams, plus the odd facebook or youtube link. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 12:31, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Question I don't know much about Romanian soccer, but are you certain Liga II is not a pro league? As far as I can tell, teams can be relegated from or promoted to the top Liga I, which is pro. By itself that doesn't imply professionalism, but given the number of pyramid levels that qualify as pro in other countries, I'd be surprised that the Romanian second division might not qualify. Cmprince (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The question is not one of professionalism, but of full professionalism. Teams at the top of the table are undoubtedly professional, but the teams at the bottom are not. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Dinu - I don't like multi-nominations like this because it's difficult to evaluate several articles with different circumstances, and clearly the Dinu article is very unlike the others. He's played two seasons in the fully-pro Liga I and easily passes NFOOTBALL. A brief check of gsp.ro's search function shows that the article would likely meet the GNG as well. Jogurney (talk) 18:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Dinu still fails notability. Yes, you are right, it turns out that one of Dinu's previous Liga III sides, CS Jiul Petroşani, did manage a brief spell in Liga I (they're back to Liga III). But NFOOTBALL is just a rule of thumb. I googled "ciprian dinu" at gsp.ro. 57 hits. Translated the first ten: textbook collection of WP:ROUTINE mentions. Best are the odd paragraph saying he's transferred teams, but even those are brief and colorless. The rest are your standard collection of player directories and side mentions from game reports. I think he gets a one-sentence quote in one of them. I look at his CV and assume he will not be notability, and I find nothing in the article or on the web to contradict that assumption. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't follow all of your comments. Jiul was not a Liga III side while Dinu was with the club - he played two full seasons in Liga I and another in Liga II. We don't really care where the club might play today or two decades ago. I understand that much of the coverage of Dinu is routine, but I don't believe all of it is. I realize the NFOOTBALL is only a guideline, but so is the GNG. The article needs some attention from a user with Romanian-language skills, but it's clearly verifiable and there is plenty of coverage available to build the article. Dinu's career appears to have had it's ups and downs, but with two seasons in Liga I, he has done more than the typical football player. Jogurney (talk) 04:05, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Dinu - as stated above, he has made appearances in Liga I, and therefore passes WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:08, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Dinu - I've checked Romaniansoccer.ro to see if any of the other players have appeared in Liga I, and found no evidence they have. Also, I'm not seeing anything beyond routine coverage of these athletes. Jogurney (talk) 12:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.