Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dane Cobain


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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Dane Cobain

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WP:TOOSOON. He seems to be a fairly active writer but you don't get notability just for being a published writer, you have to be discussed in multiple independent reliable sources and I can't find any evidence of that. The references in the article don't amount to much and are on the whole not independent of him. Neiltonks (talk) 11:23, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  12:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
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 * Hello, hope you're doing well. I wanted to request your views on sources like: The Indpendent, Metro, International Business Times, BBC, The Independent again, The Telegraph (the last one being just an interview). Warmly.  Lourdes  14:49, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi  Lourdes  These are all articles which he's contributed to in some way (largely discussing his struggles with depression) but they don't discuss his work as a writer/poet/musician in any depth. I still don't believe he meets WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG yet, but of course others here may have a different view (which is fine!) Neiltonks (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947 ( c ) (m)   04:47, 17 October 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, has anyone been able to find any reviews of his works from reliable sources? for ex. trawling thru the first 10 pages of a gsearch for his first novella under "no rest for the wicked by Dane Cobain reviews" brought up nothing useful, btw, a WorldCat search for his works in libraries also brought up nothing (clicking on the 2 works listed brings up nil libraries), so unless something comes up, this looks like a delete. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * None, although I searched every title. Searching "No Rest for the Wicked" + Cobain produced nothing on Dane Cobain's book, I did get a few hits on stuff related to Kurt Cobain.  Searching gNews on each of the the titles, sometimes with keyword "Cobain," produced absolutely nothing.  The books do appear on Amazon.com.  Of the first 3 books listed on the page, two are CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform,  self-published.  No Rest for the Wicked is published by Dragon Moon Press.  This press's website Create Amazing tales fo rth e Dragon; Become One of Our Dragons!, inviting would be authors to format and submit competed manuscripts, makes me suspicious that our page on this press is a little too credulous, it may  be some sort of self-publish or pay-to-publish scam or scheme. I gave up without checking who published the last three books listed on the page, although I searched every title for reviews or coverage of any sort in gNews.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:05, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Went back to check the other 3 books, Former.ly: The Rise and Fall of a Social Network, Come On Up to the House, and Social Paranoia: How Consumers and Brands Can Stay Safe in a Connected World were all published by CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, the self-publishing program operated by Amazin.com.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete has a unique name, and a gNews search gets some hits: Virtual valets, or how to look good online, a BBC article that has this to say about him: "Dane Cobain is a social media specialist at marketing agency FST Group. He runs the social media activities of up to half a dozen clients at a time...  'Individuals are still brands,' he said.... Mr Cobain's agency offers a range of services, from initial strategic advice to taking over the entire feed. The cost depends on how much support is required, he explained, but the results are often tangible."  Looking into my WP:CRYSTAL, I see that the "results" he produces for clients might include a Wikipedia page.  Be that as it may, the page is persuasive looking, until you start to look at sources.  I checked the first one, and removed it, it was an article by him, not an article about him, and the only bio info in it was his author byline.  The mainstream media sources in the article that I checked are either written by him, or quote him briefly in his capacity as a social media professional, sometimes as an individual available and willing to talk about personal subjects like having depression or the  difficulties of a small-town-kid moving to the big city.  These are essentially man-in-the street interviews and do not support notability.   I don't see any reviews of his books, anything to indicate that his writing is notable, any profiles of him, or anything to indicate that his career as a social media professional is a notable one.  I admit that I gave up searching after a short time, because I was finding so little.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Often there is confusion about notability and writers. Notability is when people write about the author or their works, not about how much the author writes.Ifnord (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


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