Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danger Angel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The consensus is that the lack of independent reliable sources means that this band does not meet the criteria for inclusion --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 23:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Danger Angel

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Not notable. Billboard link brings up a whole lot of "not available" nothing. Nothing else I can find that indications notability. Shadowjams (talk) 07:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also take a look at User:TezCope, the OP account has similar links to the other creations. Shadowjams (talk) 07:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I cannot tell why Billboard has removed the article that was used for the reference in the first place, in any case I will remove it as a reference. However, since this is not the only reference to the article's notability, I can direct you to all the other references that prove notability. You can read the arguments on a previous deletion suggestion that resulted as "non consensus" to see how notability on this article is argumented. If you still need clarification, please follow up. Thanks Alexpts (talk) 12:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all the sources are unreliable or primary. And the next person who uses another Wikipedia article as a "reference" will be promptly WP:TROUTed. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Previous AFD at Articles for deletion/Danger Angel band closed in April as no consensus. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 21:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

On TenPoundHammer's comment: I never referenced any wikipedia article on the Danger Angel article. Please specify. Oh I saw it, I am removing it promptly. Did not know this rule. Please, explain why you consider all sources unreliable. All sources are credible, certified media. Please, explain. Alexpts (talk) 11:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

On Billboard reference issue. Billboard reference is active and valid Alexpts (talk) 11:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete not notable enough, but the band doesn't pass WP:MUSIC. JJ98 (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets the following criteria according to WP:MUSIC:

1. Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.[note 1] This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the following...

6. Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

11. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.

12. Has been the subject of a half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network.

Alexpts (talk) 22:00, 7 August 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Questions for Alexpts
 * 1. which coverage do you think has them being the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable?
 * 6. Who are these two members? I see none.
 * 11. Where is any evidence of rotation?
 * 12. What half-hour or longer broadcast are you refering to? duffbeerforme (talk)

Alexpts (talk) 19:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 1. I list several independent media that have published articles on Danger Angel, either in the form of an album review, an interview or live reports. Those media are in no way connected to the band. I have referenced media from around the world.
 * 6. Members ( at the time of recordings) are Jeff Scott Soto (Journey, talisman, Y. Malmsteen etc.) and Mark Cross (Helloween, Firewind, Kingdom come etc.). Some are internet publications and some printed press. The printed press media is Rock Hard, an edition that is released in several countries around Europe. I have not included any articles that are just referring to the band or the band's events. All such references are either dedicated articles, interviews or reviews by unbiased media.
 * 11/12. I have referenced rotation by at least one French open air radio station and two web radios out of different countries and I have included the airplays. However, I am not sure I know how to reference open air broadcasts in the article since all radio broadcasts are done and out when finished. Do I have to procure recordings of some kind? The band has appeared in at least 12 radio shows during the past three months, in nationwide radios in Greece in the forms of interviews and presentations. I really don't know how I can materialize such a thing into a reference. If I just put it there is not really proof, is it? If you know a way, please, let me know how to do it.
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