Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danger Angel band


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The result was   no consensus. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator but not quite enough participation to determine consensus. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Danger Angel band

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Nicely-written article, but non-notable according to WP:MUSIC. Relies heavily on own website as ref. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not seeing it. Where is it relying heavily on the band's own website? I see a number of reviews referenced from many different places, which seems to strongly suggest notability to me. Silver  seren C 10:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * keep I really cannot see which are the references coming from the band's own web site. All the references used are coming from reliable sources around the internet. There is not one single reference or note coming from the band's web site, except if you are referring to the external links which are NOT references. Some of the referenced media are of the most important media that deal with bands of such kind (see ref. #2,3), and all of the media referenced are non-related to the band and are not related to band's label, complying with WP:MUSIC (see references #7,8,9,10,17,18 in article). Apart from that, it is obvious that this is a band with a certified international relese by a certified label, the band includes one of the most well known artists of the genre, Jeff Scott Soto (who is also cited inside wikipedia in more than one articles) plus one more well known musician, Mark Cross, also cited inside wikipedia in several cases (that makes two, complying to WP:MUSIC), the band is referenced in Billboard's web page and in Allmusic.com as well and these references are included in the article (see ref #20,21). There are several unbiased news items, reviews and interviews listed in this article. Alexpts (talk) 08:24, 22 April 2010 (UTC) Primary Author.
 * The band does not include Soto, they have been a "special guest", so that argument is disingenuous. Certified international labels do not necessarily mark notability. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 09:40, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Thanks for the response. Indeed, Soto is not included in the main line-up, however he recorded for the album and performed with the band and was also interviewed for this endeavor. Mark Cross also recorded and performed with the band. They were both in the band's payroll for some time, which is something I also could not reference, since it is a private agreement issue. One could say it looks disingenuous, however it is a fact. In any case, the band is referenced and even more discussed or analyzed in several independent media in terms of album reviews, live reports, interviews, news items etc. The references in the article are mainly from internet sources as I considered printed references hard to evaluate. There is one, though, (ref.#19) which is from a European monthly magazine with branches in several European countries (I don't know where you are located, sorry). As I said this is hard for somebody to track down and evaluate, that is why I did not include printed references. There are several more internet sources, but what is the point in referencing all of them, since there are more than five different ones noted here. I agree that certified labels do not constitute immediate notability however I could argue that they add credibility. Let me know what you think.Alexpts Alexpts (talk) 10:16, 22 April 2010 (UTC) Primary Author.


 * There are also several radio stations and web radio stations aroudn the world that airplayed the album songs. However, I cannot cite the playlists for all of them, just the stations links.Again, I am not sure if non-cited references are of consequence.There are plenty to be added, though.Alexpts (talk) 10:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Primary Author


 * Added airplay references (#13,14,15,16 in article), one of them includes playlist, the others do not but can be quoted if necessary.Alexpts (talk) 10:42, 22 April 2010 (UTC) Primary Author
 * I have included suggestions on your talkpage - one of 2 places that I had originally attempted to engage you in discussion. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 11:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 08:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I posted a bit in my talk page, so when you get to read it let me know.Alexpts (talk) 12:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.