Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Fellman


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The result was   delete due to the WP:ATHLETE failure (if an editor has proof that the Finnish league is actually fully professional, let me know and I'll restore). пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  14:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Daniel Fellman

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Contested PROD. Fellman hasn't achieved anything notable enough to pass WP:GNG and fails WP:ATHLETE for playing in a semi-pro league Spiderone  08:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Spiderone  08:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 10:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nom. GauchoDude (talk) 23:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Has played in the Finnish top league. ,,n (talk) 01:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The Finnish league isn't fully professional Spiderone  06:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Finnish top league and youth international. --SM (talk) 10:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep, looks like he is someone "who ha[s] competed at the fully professional level of a sport", as the article on the league says that it's fully professional. Nyttend (talk) 20:53, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment- You're confusing "highest level" with "professional football". The Veikkausliiga isn't fully pro. Spiderone  08:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - It is a professional league and a member of the EPFL (European Professional Football Leagues). ,,n (talk) 12:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * That means absolutely nothing. The Welsh and Irish Premier Leagues are on there too and neither of those are professional. See WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. I don't see how this athlete passes WP:GNG either since there are no sources that give him more than a passing mention.  Spiderone  12:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, playing in a notable European top-level league Eldumpo (talk) 21:18, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What makes this league more notable than any other semi-pro league? This player has received about as much media coverage as a Conference South player so I don't see which notability guideline this player passes. Spiderone  07:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Playing at a fully professional level. WP:ATH does not require every team/player in the league he competes to be fully pro. DavidDublin (talk) 12:12, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * How can it be a fully professional level of football if it has non-professional players in it.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Because he is getting paid. How can Wimbledon be a professional tournament when non-professional players play in it.  How can the Irish Golf Open be a professional tournament when non-professional players play in it.  If this guy is getting paid then he is a professional football player, i.e. his "level" is professional.  End of debate. DavidDublin (talk) 13:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So any player who is paid money by his club would satisfy WP:ATHLETE, right down to the level of guys in the Kent League who get about £50 a week retainer? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No. They would be part time as opposed to fully professional.  The Finnish League is the top 30 in Europe.  Their top team has competed in the European Champions League Group Stages, the biggest club competition in the world.  And the best you can do is compare this to the Kent League ?? DavidDublin (talk) 14:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE. Steve-Ho (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:Notability Govvy (talk) 15:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
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