Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Hardcastle (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  00:15, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Daniel Hardcastle
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Fails WP:GNG - while makes a point on the article talk page that the subject meets criteria such as WP:ANYBIO and WP:NAUTHOR, those guidelines say that he is likely to be notable, not that he automatically is. GNG is the main criteria any subject on Wikipedia should pass, and there is barely any significant coverage for him to meet it. SK2242 (talk) 03:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep The subject of the article has received a significant amount of coverage. Though not all of it is linked from the article, notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article per WP:NEXIST.  I think WP:NTEMP also applies in this scenario, as even though(especially mainstream) media coverage has faded as buzz around the book did, that doesn't change the fact that it was at one point the best selling book in the UK –DMartin  04:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC) (In the interest of full discolosure, I was the primary author of this article)
 * I would also like to riterate what I said on the article's talk page:
 * "[The article is notable] based on the following cirteria:
 * From WP:anybio(1), "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honour": Times #1 bestseller
 * From WP:author(3), "The person has created...a significant or well-known work or collective body of work": Wrote a book that reached was a #1 best seller, AND has created a YouTube channel that has over 2.5 million subscirbers and 1 billion views.
 * From WP:ENTERTAINER(2), "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.": Major YouTube fanbase, which could be considered a cult following.
 * I feel like based on meeting multiple crieteria present in WP:BIO this individual clearly meets the notability requiremnts."
 * –DMartin 04:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC) (In the interest of full discolosure, I was the primary author of this article)


 * I did a BEFORE search before nominating and found nothing further in significant coverage for it to meet GNG. NTEMP only applies if the subject has met GNG in the first place. SK2242 (talk) 04:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Once again those guidelines say the subject is only presumed notable if they pass it. This still fails GNG. SK2242 (talk) 04:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Nothing notable when conducting a WP:BEFORE search. As pointed out, SNG's can be used to presume notability and create articles. That presumed notability can be rebutted. The evidence is what it is. Being a #1 best seller author, while significant, is not notable in an of itself according to the criteria. Creating a YouTube channel that has 2.5 million subscribers, while of import, does not equal notability as per the criteria. It must pass criteria laid out in WP:N. That is the only criteria relevant at AfD's. This does not. -- A Rose Wolf ( Talk ) 21:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per analysis done by DMartin. Article is good enough to pass WP:GNG and WP:NEXIST. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 16:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What analysis has been done to meet GNG or N? Dmartin969 only brought up secondary guidelines such as ENT and NAUTHOR when this still fails GNG and N. SK2242 (talk) 17:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't think I have to explain that. Dmartin's analysis is clear that the subject is a case of WP:NEXIST. I have explained enough. And I won't reply anymore. My keep stands. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 03:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jack Frost (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep with a little bit of "Why are we here?". Would recommend rereading GNG to clarify that guideline's relationship with the presumption of notability itself. Notability guidelines work alongside, not against, one another. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 23:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Would request that everyone make themselves aware of the definition of presume according to Wikipedia. It does not guarantee anything and only can be used in article creation. Facts are all that matter in an AfD, not presumptions. -- A Rose Wolf  16:36, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree with Dmartin969's analysis. Maxorca (talk) 04:28, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


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