Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Kelley (hacker)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to 2015 TalkTalk data breach. Liz Read! Talk! 05:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Daniel Kelley (hacker)

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Appears to be WP:BLP1E, the only news coverage relates to his 2016 arrest and sentencing. Belbury (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting to see support for Redirect. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Belbury (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This is wrong. See https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/08/21/i-went-to-prison-for-the-77m-talktalk-hacking-i-could-be-sent-back-for-ordering-a-mcdonald on the page. Additionally, the page has existed for 6 months. NdbyQwK43y (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Fyi, article age is not a relevant indication of notability. Actualcpscm (talk) 14:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * He was in jail for the rest of the time, we won't find much about him while he was in jail me thinks. Oaktree b (talk) 15:21, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and England. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Delete  hacked, went to jail, and now wants to help others. Could be a brief section in an article about TalkTalk that he hacked, but that's all I see. Oaktree b (talk) 15:21, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect: WP:BLP1E does not apply: this was a highly significant event, as evidenced by the extensive coverage in various sources, and Kelley's role in it was of essential importance. However, WP:BIO1E does apply; Kelley is only notable for the involvement with this event, and is unlikely to become notable outside of it as of right now; ergo, there should be an article about the event. I think the notability of the event itself is quite clearly established by the numerous sources currently in the article. Accordingly, this page should be redirected to an article about the event; I'll create that now. Actualcpscm (talk) 19:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Update: I've created an article about the event at 2015 TalkTalk data breach; the standalone notability of that event should be uncontroversial. There's lots more coverage that I haven't included there yet.
 * As mentioned above, I would argue that this page should be redirected to the article on the event. If anyone thinks that there's relevant information to merge, all the better. Pinging @Belbury @Oaktree b since the situation of this AfD has changed with the creation of the event article. Actualcpscm (talk) 20:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the newly created data breach article. Sourcing for this person is all about the hack/breach. Nothing outside of that event. Oaktree b (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * According to Wikipedia's notability guidelines, a person is considered notable if they have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. In the case of Daniel Kelley, he has received extensive coverage in numerous reliable sources for his involvement in the 2015 TalkTalk data breach, including articles from reputable publications such as Computer Weekly and The Guardian. This coverage demonstrates that Kelley played an essential role in the event and is therefore notable under Wikipedia's guidelines.
 * Furthermore, Kelley's notability is not limited to his involvement in the data breach. He has also contributed to over 100 bug bounty programs and has spoken publicly about his experiences as a reformed black hat hacker. These additional sources of coverage demonstrate that Kelley has a broader impact on the field of cybersecurity and is therefore notable beyond the specific event.
 * Therefore, based on the significant coverage of Kelley in reliable sources and his broader impact on the field of cybersecurity, he meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines and should have a Wikipedia page.
 * 1/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-prison-hackers-face-tech-restrictions-limited-job-prospects-11663788389
 * 2/ https://www.psybersafe.com/fr/blog-fr/a-fresh-start-for-cyber-criminals
 * Additionally, here is a blog post published by him today which receieved widescale coverage: https://slashnext.com/blog/wormgpt-the-generative-ai-tool-cybercriminals-are-using-to-launch-business-email-compromise-attacks/?utm_content=256636270&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&hss_channel=tw-721089455193337856
 * "About the author: Daniel Kelley is a reformed black hat computer hacker who collaborated with our team at SlashNext to research the latest threats and tactics employed by cybercriminals, particularly those involving BEC, phishing, smishing, social engineering, ransomware, and other attacks that exploit the human element."
 * This page should remain. He is a prominent figure in the cybersecurity industry. 2A00:23EE:2268:3A6D:6118:F2C6:36C8:CFCD (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition to his involvement in the TalkTalk data breach, Daniel Kelley has received coverage in reliable sources for his leadership role in a hacking collective known as "Team Hans." According to articles such as this one from DataBreaches.net (source: https://www.databreaches.net/uk-talktalk-hacker-daniel-kelley-sentenced-to-4-years-in-jail/), Kelley coached two accomplices to hack Canada's Rogers Communications. 2A00:23EE:2268:3A6D:6118:F2C6:36C8:CFCD (talk) 23:44, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Here he has helped fix 3,000 vulnerabilities in websites as a security researcher: https://www.openbugbounty.org/researchers/danielmakelley/ he's widely known to anyone inside of the industry. 2A00:23EE:2268:3A6D:6118:F2C6:36C8:CFCD (talk) 23:49, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Daniel Kelley has appeared as a guest on the podcast Darknet Diaries, where he discussed a range of topics beyond his involvement in the TalkTalk data breach (source: https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/117/). This appearance demonstrates that Kelley has had a broader impact on the field of cybersecurity beyond the specific event. 2A00:23EE:2268:3A6D:6118:F2C6:36C8:CFCD (talk) 23:56, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to 2015 TalkTalk data breach, per WP:BIO1E. ARandomName123 (talk) 02:36, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to 2015 TalkTalk data breach, with great thanks to Actualcpscm for creating the article. The anon raises some valid points above about the breadth of the article subject's career, but I don't think we have enough material here to cover that career meaningfully beyond this one event. -- Visviva (talk) 02:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.