Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Martyn


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:52, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Daniel Martyn

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Daniel Martyn

Non-notable military officer who does not satisfy general notability or military notability and is a low-profile individual. Nothing that is reported about the subject amounts to significant coverage. The references have been reviewed, and amount to passing mentions.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete fails WP:BASIC. Source analysis by nom above shows 2 passing mentions 1 of which is PRIMARY and a PRIMARY dead link and a Google search shows not much else. Mztourist (talk) 15:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Only passing mentions in reliable sources that are primarily discussing HMS Vigilant, both for those currently in the article and those that I've been able to find in a search. There doesn't appear to be significant coverage in reliable sources. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 16:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The dead link isn't really dead. I found an archived copy of the CV listed as reference 3 above and added it to the article. Some news media carried an article in 2017 saying that the captain of HMS Vigilant had been removed from his command because of an inappropriate sexual relationship with a subordinate. This wasn't Daniel Martyn, who had left the Royal Navy by this time, but an earlier edit to the article said Martyn was the captain in question. See the article's edit history for lots of edit warring about the incident. Martyn's LinkedIn page (not a reliable source, but the face on LinkedIn seems to match the one on the Royal Navy website, says that he is now EUNA Built Environment Defence Sector Lead at Mott MacDonald. He got his picture in newspapers rather more than other submarine captains. I'm inclined to say that the coverage of the sub by multiple newspapers at a time of national debate over Britain's nuclear deterrent adds up to enough on Martyn to keep the article. We do not have an article about Martyn's successor at HMS Vigilant, so I won't name him. And the current captain (someone else) is Commander M J Walker, according to the submarine's web page. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I still can't read the archived copy you added, in any event its PRIMARY so doesn't count towards notability. Coverage of the sub is not coverage of him. So there's still not significant coverage that "addresses the topic directly and in detail" Mztourist (talk) 03:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per Eastmain. He is/was important enough to have his Bio published online, speaks to notability. Jamesallain85 (talk) 17:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't, a Royal Navy bio is a PRIMARY source and doesn't count towards Notability. Mztourist (talk) 03:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete lacks the references to independent sources needed to meet WP:BIO, and there's no reason to think that they'd exist. Ballistic missile submarine commanders do not have much of a public profile, for a range of obvious reasons. Nick-D (talk) 07:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. does not have significant coverage. Peter303x (talk)


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